SONOS and MinimServer

[pierrejean75]

I try to contact the writer of the Foobar 2000 UPnP plugging

With this plugging Foobar2000 is 100% SONOS compatible

[simoncn]

(30-10-2013 21:15)pierrejean75 Wrote:  I try to contact the writer of the Foobar 2000 UPnP plugging

With this plugging Foobar2000 is 100% SONOS compatible

Perhaps I haven't been clear enough that I don't think it's the right approach for MinimServer to add nonstandard extensions to support nonstandard control points such as Sonos. In my opinion, it is Sonos that needs to fix this compatibility issue, not MinimServer.

[simoncn]

(30-10-2013 10:05)pierrejean75 Wrote:  Here the homepage of the Foobar UPnP pluggin

http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_upnp

By: bubbleguuum

Powered by Platinum UPnP SDK: http://plutinosoft.com/platinum

Have you tried using BubbleUPnP Server as a proxy for MinimServer? BubbleUPnP Server is also developed by bubbleguuum. The proxy might be able to talk to Sonos and give you access from Sonos to MinimServer via the proxy.

[hooliganshark]

Salut! First post here - thought I might try and help with this question as I am running Sonos and minidlna on a raspberry pi. (I plan to replace with minimserver when available!).

Sonos does not have a server of its own, but assumes you have music on your network shared via standard Windows file sharing or Samba. I imagine your Synology NAS includes a Samba server to share any music on the server on the network. If I understand your question correctly, the solution to your problem is (IMHO) to set up Samba on your NAS correctly to share your music folders; and then to set up the music library to access those folders via the Sonos controller software.

Sonos cannot be configured so that the music library is directly built from a UPNP server. But it is possible to play music from a UPNP/DLNA server using any control point. Any Sonos devices are visible on the network as standard renderers. Although I have no experience yet with minimserver, I expect that if properly installed, it would be visible to any control point and renderer in the normal way.

Hope this helps and bonne chance

[simoncn]

(01-11-2013 09:08)hooliganshark Wrote:  Salut! First post here - thought I might try and help with this question as I am running Sonos and minidlna on a raspberry pi. (I plan to replace with minimserver when available!).

Sonos does not have a server of its own, but assumes you have music on your network shared via standard Windows file sharing or Samba. I imagine your Synology NAS includes a Samba server to share any music on the server on the network. If I understand your question correctly, the solution to your problem is (IMHO) to set up Samba on your NAS correctly to share your music folders; and then to set up the music library to access those folders via the Sonos controller software.

Sonos cannot be configured so that the music library is directly built from a UPNP server. But it is possible to play music from a UPNP/DLNA server using any control point. Any Sonos devices are visible on the network as standard renderers. Although I have no experience yet with minimserver, I expect that if properly installed, it would be visible to any control point and renderer in the normal way.

Hope this helps and bonne chance

Thanks very much!

Regarding MinimServer and the Raspberry Pi, there is an experimental build of MinimServer 0.72 available for Raspbian. I'll send you a PM with the download details.

[hooliganshark]

Thank you for developing this - it installed on the Pi very easily despite my limited linux skills. MinimServer seems much much faster in scanning the music folder; its also more responsive when using the control point. I will continue to test over this weekend but so far I am very pleased indeed.

In case its of interest, as a control point I use BubbleUpnp on Android - the server appeared immediately as expected and I could navigate and play music on my phone without problem.

And for Sonos - as expected I could also use BubbleUpnp to output the music from MinimServer on the Sonos.

[simoncn]

(01-11-2013 16:07)hooliganshark Wrote:  Thank you for developing this - it installed on the Pi very easily despite my limited linux skills. MinimServer seems much much faster in scanning the music folder; its also more responsive when using the control point. I will continue to test over this weekend but so far I am very pleased indeed.

In case its of interest, as a control point I use BubbleUpnp on Android - the server appeared immediately as expected and I could navigate and play music on my phone without problem.

And for Sonos - as expected I could also use BubbleUpnp to output the music from MinimServer on the Sonos.

Thanks very much, and thanks for the feedback re: Sonos. From this, it sounds like the incompatibilty problem relates to the Sonos UPnP control point, not the Sonos UPnP renderer.

[pierrejean75]

Yes the problem is not to see SONOS devices as UPnP renderer (that's work already fine) but to view "server" on SONOS decices
Would it be possible to have in the future a MinimServer release or plugging which could give the possibility to be "view" as a "Rhapsody server" or as a "Windows Media Player" ?
Thank's a lot
Pierre

[simoncn]

(03-11-2013 09:48)pierrejean75 Wrote:  Yes the problem is not to see SONOS devices as UPnP renderer (that's work already fine) but to view "server" on SONOS decices
Would it be possible to have in the future a MinimServer release or plugging which could give the possibility to be "view" as a "Rhapsody server" or as a "Windows Media Player" ?
Thank's a lot
Pierre

Please see my earlier post. If this proxy approach works, it would be what you are looking for. Have you tried it?

[hooliganshark]

Hi Pierre - I hope you don't mind my commenting again, but am interested in what you are looking to do with Sonos?

Since Sonos is a closed and proprietary system, I think that respectfully, your request has to be put to Sonos.

AFAIK Sonos is set up by design so that no upnp server is ever visible on Sonos controllers. Sonos controls this deliberately and only Sonos could set up the view you are suggesting. I have several upnp/dlna servers running here and none can be seen from Sonos - even though Sonos is visible to them all as a renderer. This is the business model that Sonos has had since before upnp existed - its important to remember that they did get there first! Unfortunately for Sonos, they are now caught between the development of good server software like MinimServer, and cloud music services like Google Play; whilst their hardware controllers are now replaced by free software controllers for tablets. Eventually they might be forced to open their key asset - SonosNet - and then you might get what you are asking for.

Having said that, at this very moment I am using bubbleupnp to control MinimServer and output to my Sonos. The experience is now as good as the Sonos controller - this has not always been the case, and up to now I always felt that Sonos has had the edge on this. For me, MinimServer is eliminating all my old prejudices against upnp - slow to react, slow to update, poor gapless performance and so on. Now it is really smooth. At the same time, bubbleupnp has become very attractive as a user interface. So I would be interested in knowing more why you would make your request?

The Sonos forums are quite active - did you post your request on there? I would be interested to know what you think.