display.multiTag

[Budgie]

(24-02-2014 18:05)DavidHB Wrote:  

(23-02-2014 23:00)simoncn Wrote:  I believe PuddleTag uses \\ as the separator for multiple tag values (like Mp3tag).

MP3Tag uses '\\' to mark the split between multiple tags in a single text box, but does not automatically split tags at this marker if it is inserted. To split a tag you have to use the Quick Action 'Split field by separator' where the separator used is whatever you specify.

Also, dBpoweramp will automatically split fields at any semicolon. This can be useful, but can also be the source of inadvertent errors; I have found no way to switch off this behaviour.

David

Hi David,
Simon mentioned a split setting but not found it yet. However all now seems to be working with PuddleTag. Thanks for the info though. I shall dig deeper to make sure settings are correct.
Regards,
Budgie

[mccormw]

Coming back to this discussion I started I realise that I did not explain myself very well in the first place.
Using MP3tag and setting the genre to: Modern\\Orchestral\\Minimalism for Adams' "Short Ride In A Fast Machine" then this album appears under the following individual Genres: Modern, Orchestral & Minimalism.

This is exactly what I want!

[DavidHB]

(26-02-2014 20:53)mccormw Wrote:  Coming back to this discussion I started I realise that I did not explain myself very well in the first place.
Using MP3tag and setting the genre to: Modern\\Orchestral\\Minimalism for Adams' "Short Ride In A Fast Machine" then this album appears under the following individual Genres: Modern, Orchestral & Minimalism.

Thank you for this information. My previous post is clearly wrong, in that you can indeed split a tag just by editing it im MP3Tag, inserting '\\', and saving the edit. I had tried this previously, and it did not seem to work. Your post encouraged me to try again, and it did work.

Adding additional tags does increase the number of browsing steps (as MinimServer shows a browsing icon for any tag in the current selection that has more than one value). This is inherent in the invaluable 'intelligent browsing' feature, but does mean that a trade-off has to be made between the range of choice and the number of browsing steps. That is why I prefer to keep a single Genre tag value; the good news is that MinImServer caters as readily for those who make a different choice.

David

[mccormw]

MP3Tag is a brilliant piece of software - I bet you can feel a BUT coming on - BUT you have to remember to keep saving all the time. It will not warn but just throw your changes away. Having said that, if you want to use 'split tags' then it is the business and you soon get used to its ways.
I agree 100% with what you say about Minim and its 'intelligent browsing', that is a really storming feature. When you go back to something like Twonky you feel like you have had an arm chopped off. Which reminds me, why is the Windows Media player so bad, you would think that a company like MS that can produce a brilliant product like their SQL Server, would have designed a better media player than this?
I would like to find a media player for Windows that would enable me to test my Minim server config, it would save me switching back and forward from my iPad. Any suggestions?

[simoncn]

(01-03-2014 10:27)mccormw Wrote:  MP3Tag is a brilliant piece of software - I bet you can feel a BUT coming on - BUT you have to remember to keep saving all the time. It will not warn but just throw your changes away. Having said that, if you want to use 'split tags' then it is the business and you soon get used to its ways.
I agree 100% with what you say about Minim and its 'intelligent browsing', that is a really storming feature. When you go back to something like Twonky you feel like you have had an arm chopped off. Which reminds me, why is the Windows Media player so bad, you would think that a company like MS that can produce a brilliant product like their SQL Server, would have designed a better media player than this?

I agree. The browse tree seems to be limited to Artist/Album/Genre tags only, unless there is some customization setting that I have missed.

Quote:I would like to find a media player for Windows that would enable me to test my Minim server config, it would save me switching back and forward from my iPad. Any suggestions?

foobar2000 is a control point and a renderer. dBpoweramp Renaissance is a renderer only. Linn Kinsky is a control point only.

[mccormw]

I hadn't noticed that FooBar has a Control Point built in too, I have been using it to convert between formats - which it is very good at.

...Goes away for a while and plays with FooBar....

Actually the Upnp browser in FooBar is exactly what I need because is it nice and simple - no frills, just plain text - Perfect.

I have also only just realised the difference between 'Artist' and 'All Artist'. I thought that 'Artist' gave you the first artist in the split but it doesn't, it just converts the // delimiter to a comma and you view the whole lot, which I suppose is more useful than giving only the first artists.

[mccormw]

No ' ang on. Is 'Artist' on the control point mapped to the 'Album Artist' tag? Thus 'All Artists' on the control point is mapped to the 'Artist' tag? Anyone know?

[DavidHB]

(01-03-2014 10:27)mccormw Wrote:  MP3Tag is a brilliant piece of software - I bet you can feel a BUT coming on - BUT you have to remember to keep saving all the time.

I do agree! I was losing work all the time. Then in the dialog Options/Tags, I found the check box "Save tags when using arrow-keys/single mouse click". When ticked, this option enables automatic saving of entered data when the file loses the focus (it works when data has been entered in multiple files as well).

As well as ticking this option, in the Messages options dialog, I have unticked the option to have a message appear after a save or a change. This means I can move smoothly from file to file in the grid without being interrupted when my changes are automatically saved.

These settings reduced my irritation with MP3Tag more than somewhat. I cannot understand why they are not the defaults.

David

[DavidHB]

(02-03-2014 16:21)mccormw Wrote:  No ' ang on. Is 'Artist' on the control point mapped to the 'Album Artist' tag? Thus 'All Artists' on the control point is mapped to the 'Artist' tag? Anyone know?

Foobar2000 and its UPnP add-on (which by the way is written by Bubbleguuum, the author of Bubble DS and Bubble UPnP) are both quite configurable. But, in what I think is the default display grid, there is the 'Artist/Album' column, where the 'artist' bit is actually Album Artist, and the 'Title/Track Artist' column, where 'track artist' displays the Artist field, but only if Album Artist and Artist are different. Where there is more than one Artist tag, all the tags display as a single text field with '//' as the tag separator.

EDIT: I should have checked this first. On the foobar200 help menu, there is a title formatting help option, which displays detailed information on the contents of each field. My description is consistent with this reference.

If titles are at all long (which they tend to be on my classical albums), the Artist data (if present) will not be visible. You have to size and position the window on your display so that the full text of the entry in the 'Title/Track Artist' column can appear as a tooltip. Even on my 1920 x 1200 display, this can be a challenge.

'All Artists' in the browse tree is, as you would expect, as defined and provided by MinimServer.

I hope this is the answer you were looking for.

David

[simoncn]

(02-03-2014 16:21)mccormw Wrote:  No ' ang on. Is 'Artist' on the control point mapped to the 'Album Artist' tag? Thus 'All Artists' on the control point is mapped to the 'Artist' tag? Anyone know?

If the album has an AlbumArtist tag, this will be shown in the Artist index instead of the album's Artist tag(s). If the album doesn't have an AlbumArtist tag, the combined list of Artist tags for the album's tracks will be shown in the Artist index.

The All Artists index contains all the Artist tags (listed individually) and no AlbumArtist tags.

The AlbumArtist index contains all the AlbumArtist tags and no Artist tags.