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Limitation to Aliasing Why ?
16-04-2013, 10:19
Post: #1
Limitation to Aliasing Why ?
Hi Simon,
I'm not sure if I am missing a possibility to solve the following:

I have a WORK tag on my classical Albums which I want to use for grouping and indexing.
When I hopefully used the aliasTags property

aliasTags WORK:Group

it worked fine but I am no more able to browse the WORK tag

Reading in the manual again I discovered that I misread the explanation.

That there is only one Source entry possible
but multiple Target entries.
I would had expected it the other way round.
I can't imagine a reason for that limitation Huh

So I tried to Format a new Tag containing the Group value
but that seems not to be possoble to use the group tag for that
purpose. Sad

And trying to format a group tag out of a work tag
doesn't work either (I wouldn't really have expected this to work Undecided )

So is there a possibility to define a browsable indexed TAG as the
Group TAG without duplicating the TAG on file level ? Shy

When I read your announcements of the Aliasing feature I thought this
would be the prime purpose of it. Idea
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16-04-2013, 10:48
Post: #2
RE: Limitation to Aliasing Why ?
Aliasing allows multiple physical tags (the source) to be treated as one logical tag (the target). It is a "rename" operation, not a "copy" operation. This is important if the source tag is produced by MinimServer's fixed mapping from ID3v2 or iTunes tags, and the fixed mapping name doesn't match the name you're using for other tags such as FLAC. For example, you might want the ID3v2 TPUB frame to be treated as Publisher instead of Label to match existing usage of Publisher in your FLAC files. In this situation, you wouldn't want to retain the Label tags.

You could get close to what you want by doing the following:

1) Add an alias definition for Work:Group
2) Add Group to indexTags
3) Use the renaming facility in indexTags to rename the 'Group' index to 'Work'

The problem with this is that each Group is limited to consecutive tracks. I have some music where the movements of a Mass are interspersed with other pieces, so I can't use a Group for these works. Do you have this situation in your library?
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16-04-2013, 11:10
Post: #3
RE: Limitation to Aliasing Why ?
(16-04-2013 10:48)simoncn Wrote:  2) Add Group to indexTags
3) Use the renaming facility in indexTags to rename the 'Group' index to 'Work'

Edit: You'll need to wait for 0.71 to do this part.
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16-04-2013, 14:15
Post: #4
RE: Limitation to Aliasing Why ?
(16-04-2013 11:10)simoncn Wrote:  
(16-04-2013 10:48)simoncn Wrote:  2) Add Group to indexTags
3) Use the renaming facility in indexTags to rename the 'Group' index to 'Work'

Edit: You'll need to wait for 0.71 to do this part.

I already tried this and I assumed that
in the prior Versions of MinS the group Tag was blinked out intenionally
as there were no itemTags available and you usually don't want
to see the group index in the listing.
And now it is still a remnant which could be corrected
as one now can put Group in the itemTags.
(Am I right)

In my library (by now)
I don't have your described situation of a
noncensecutive Work.
But I can imagine one (Work with Interview comments
between the acts or movements)
But in this case I guess only the grouping display for
these special albums won't work when doing grouping
the suggested way and I would gladly accept this.
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16-04-2013, 14:21
Post: #5
RE: Limitation to Aliasing Why ?
(16-04-2013 14:15)Oliviander Wrote:  I already tried this and I assumed that
in the prior Versions of MinS the group Tag was blinked out intenionally
as there were no itemTags available and you usually don't want
to see the group index in the listing.
And now it is still a remnant which could be corrected
as one now can put Group in the itemTags.
(Am I right)

You can put Group in itemTags in 0.70, but it will be ignored. In 0.71, this will work correctly for both itemTags and indexTags.

Quote:In my library (by now)
I don't have your described situation of a
noncensecutive Work.
But I can imagine one (Work with Interview comments
between the acts or movements)
But in this case I guess only the grouping display for
these special albums won't work when doing grouping
the suggested way and I would gladly accept this.

OK, this seems like a workable solution for now.
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16-04-2013, 14:27
Post: #6
RE: Limitation to Aliasing Why ?
I have some of these examples Simon mentioned, ie a Mass being intermitted by Motets or similar. However, I cant be bothered too much just tabbing the mass tracks (Kyrie, Gloria etc..) and add them manually to the playlist in case I ever want to leave those Intermitting trakcs out.

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