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Another tagging challenge for Minim
22-07-2012, 13:00 (This post was last modified: 22-07-2012 13:06 by bbrip.)
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Another tagging challenge for Minim
I have quite a sizable collection of organ music in my collection for which I also like to indicate next to the Artist the instrument that is being played in a certain recording, e.g. the Arp-Schnitger-Organ in St. Jacobi Hamburg or the Cavaillé-Coll-Organ in St. Ouen Rouen etc...

In Twonky I do it the following way:
I treat the "Artist" tag as a "Display-Field-for-the-Control-Point-Only" and use the "AlbumArtist" tag as an "indexTag" equivalent to record the performing organist.

for example for AlbumArtist "van Oosten, Ben" I would have different albums with the Artist-tag filled as follows

Ben van Oosten an der Cavaillé-Coll-Orgel in St. Ouen, Rouen
Ben van Oosten an der Cavaillé Coll-Orgel von Saint-Sermain, Toulouse
Ben van Oosten an der Cavaillé Coll-Orgel von St. Sulpice, Paris

etc...

Now, I m scratching my head as to how I could achieve a similar result in Minim. Of couse I could create an "Instrument" tag and be able to browse by instrument, however, Minim would not parse that Instrument information to the Artist field of the CP for display purposes. And also, one more tag means one more tag to maintain. I just spend hours to get my Conductor and Orchestra tags tidied-up at least 90% (All those different spellings of 'Orchestra dell'Accademia Nazionale de Santa Cecilia di Roma' and similar drove me nuts Blush )

Any hints on the above situation would be much appreciated Smile

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22-07-2012, 16:55
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RE: Another tagging challenge for Minim
(22-07-2012 13:00)bbrip Wrote:  I have quite a sizable collection of organ music in my collection for which I also like to indicate next to the Artist the instrument that is being played in a certain recording, e.g. the Arp-Schnitger-Organ in St. Jacobi Hamburg or the Cavaillé-Coll-Organ in St. Ouen Rouen etc...

In Twonky I do it the following way:
I treat the "Artist" tag as a "Display-Field-for-the-Control-Point-Only" and use the "AlbumArtist" tag as an "indexTag" equivalent to record the performing organist.

for example for AlbumArtist "van Oosten, Ben" I would have different albums with the Artist-tag filled as follows

Ben van Oosten an der Cavaillé-Coll-Orgel in St. Ouen, Rouen
Ben van Oosten an der Cavaillé Coll-Orgel von Saint-Sermain, Toulouse
Ben van Oosten an der Cavaillé Coll-Orgel von St. Sulpice, Paris

etc...

Now, I m scratching my head as to how I could achieve a similar result in Minim. Of couse I could create an "Instrument" tag and be able to browse by instrument, however, Minim would not parse that Instrument information to the Artist field of the CP for display purposes. And also, one more tag means one more tag to maintain. I just spend hours to get my Conductor and Orchestra tags tidied-up at least 90% (All those different spellings of 'Orchestra dell'Accademia Nazionale de Santa Cecilia di Roma' and similar drove me nuts Blush )

Any hints on the above situation would be much appreciated Smile

bbrip

I think you will have a couple of options in a future release of MinimServer:

1) Use a separate tag for the instrument, and configure the artist display value (sent to the control point) to be the value of the Artist tag followed by the value of the instrument tag. This would allow you to browse your orgran music collection by different instruments as well as by different organists, composers, etc.

2) Do exactly the same as you're doing on Twonky, by putting the organ information in the Artist tag and configuring the artist display value to be the value of the Artist tag.
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22-07-2012, 17:33 (This post was last modified: 22-07-2012 17:36 by bbrip.)
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RE: Another tagging challenge for Minim
Hi Simon,

yes thought of the first option as well. The only problem is that this would make deciding what to send to the control point quite complex:

If Genre=Orgelmusik, send to display "Artist, Instrument"
else "Artist, Orchestra, Conductor" or similar....

If such nested expression will be possible in future releases, I would give that a try.

Option 2: yep, sorry forgot that Minim will have the option to leave the Artist field untouched in future releases Smile

bbrip

NB: also had some afterthoughts on my Orchestra tagging excercise. Will post that later in the Orchestra Tag thread.
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22-07-2012, 18:18
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RE: Another tagging challenge for Minim
(22-07-2012 17:33)bbrip Wrote:  Hi Simon,

yes thought of the first option as well. The only problem is that this would make deciding what to send to the control point quite complex:

If Genre=Orgelmusik, send to display "Artist, Instrument"
else "Artist, Orchestra, Conductor" or similar....

If such nested expression will be possible in future releases, I would give that a try.

I'm definitely not going to add conditionals!

However, you could send 'Artist, Instrument, Orchestra, Conductor'. Any tags that aren't present in the track or album being sent would be ignored.

Quote:Option 2: yep, sorry forgot that Minim will have the option to leave the Artist field untouched in future releases Smile

bbrip

NB: also had some afterthoughts on my Orchestra tagging excercise. Will post that later in the Orchestra Tag thread.

I'll look forward to seeing that. Smile
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22-07-2012, 18:30
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RE: Another tagging challenge for Minim
(22-07-2012 18:18)simoncn Wrote:  However, you could send 'Artist, Instrument, Orchestra, Conductor'. Any tags that aren't present in the track or album being sent would be ignored.

that's it! thanks for clarifying.
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