The control app thread

[jamief]

(24-01-2025 14:09)RSJ Wrote:  I am finding that the Linn Kazoo app often hangs on my Windows 11 laptop (it is no longer being developed, of course). Has anyone discovered a decent alternative Windows control app?

Not sure if it is the issue you are having, but mine started defaulting to a 10.5.0.0 subnet, which stops it finding anything on the correct 192.168 subnet. You can see in Kazoo settings. I don't know what this subnet is or what made it suddenly appear.

[RSJ]

I have had a similar issue, but it is separate to the problem of the app hanging.

[jdg072]

What app can be installed on multiple android devices, and play music from minimserver to a living room hifi set. It should be controlled by multiple devices. Ex: I start music on my phone, played on the HIFI set in the living room, but leave the house. Someone else with the same app installed, should be able to switch music or stop it.

[simbun]

(13-05-2025 08:00)jdg072 Wrote:  What app can be installed on multiple android devices, and play music from minimserver to a living room hifi set. It should be controlled by multiple devices.

If your renderer supports OpenHome (queue sharing) then BubbleUPnP is all you need, otherwise you'll need to install BubbleUPnP server somewhere on your network to add this capability.

[jdg072]

(13-05-2025 08:21)simbun Wrote:  

(13-05-2025 08:00)jdg072 Wrote:  What app can be installed on multiple android devices, and play music from minimserver to a living room hifi set. It should be controlled by multiple devices.

If your renderer supports OpenHome (queue sharing) then BubbleUPnP is all you need, otherwise you'll need to install BubbleUPnP server somewhere on your network to add this capability.

Thank you
Currently using hificast, which is great, but if BubbleUpnp does this so much better, I am willing to switch.
Minimserver runs on a QNAP - Does that "renderer" supports Openhome? Is Openhome an app that runs on a QNAP?

otherwise you'll need to install BubbleUPnP server somewhere on your network to add this capability.
Does BubbleUpnp server recplaces Minimserver then?

[simbun]

(13-05-2025 13:01)jdg072 Wrote:  Minimserver runs on a QNAP - Does that "renderer" supports Openhome? Is Openhome an app that runs on a QNAP?

In UPnP the control point (Hi-Fi Cast/BubbleUPnP) is responsible for holding and advancing the playback queue, which means the queue can't be shared. OpenHome is an extension to UPnP where the queue is held on the renderer (streamer/speaker), enabling multiple OpenHome aware control points (not Hi-Fi Cast) to interact with the queue.

What renderer (streamer/speaker) are you using?

(13-05-2025 13:01)jdg072 Wrote:  Does BubbleUpnp server recplaces Minimserver then?

If your renderer doesn't support OpenHome natively, BubbleUPnP Server can be installed to proxy your UPnP renderer and add the OpenHome capability.
Now in the control point, instead of playing to your original renderer you'd pick the proxy (which is essentially BubbleUPnP Server) which will hold the queue and pass the necessary commands onto the original renderer.

Only the control point and renderer need to be OpenHome aware.
BubbleUPnP Server is not a media server (does not replace MinimServer), it adds compatibility and functionality to existing UPnP setups.

[jdg072]

(13-05-2025 13:55)simbun Wrote:  What renderer (streamer/speaker) are you using?

- I use a qnap which runs minimserver
- I use my android phone with hificast to control (I wish I could use 3 other phones to do the same in the family)
- I use my Hifiset to play the audio: a Denon AVR X2600H

which one is the renderer?

Thx, Johan

[simbun]

(14-05-2025 07:32)jdg072 Wrote:  

(13-05-2025 13:55)simbun Wrote:  What renderer (streamer/speaker) are you using?

- I use a qnap which runs minimserver
- I use my android phone with hificast to control (I wish I could use 3 other phones to do the same in the family)
- I use my Hifiset to play the audio: a Denon AVR X2600H

which one is the renderer?

The UPnP Server is MinimServer, the Control Point is Hi-Fi Cast and the Renderer is the X2600H.

Denon don't implement the OpenHome extension so you'll need to install BubbleUPnP Server and use the BubbleUPnP Android app in order to control the playback queue from multiple devices.

Before installing BubbleUPnP Server try the Android app to make sure it works for you.

The interface of the BubbleUPnP Android app can be a little busy in its default configuration, but it's very customisable. I had posted some notes about how to configure it for just UPnP playback, so if you have any issues let me know and I'll dig them out.

[jdg072]

(14-05-2025 09:18)simbun Wrote:  

(14-05-2025 07:32)jdg072 Wrote:  

(13-05-2025 13:55)simbun Wrote:  What renderer (streamer/speaker) are you using?

- I use a qnap which runs minimserver
- I use my android phone with hificast to control (I wish I could use 3 other phones to do the same in the family)
- I use my Hifiset to play the audio: a Denon AVR X2600H

which one is the renderer?

The UPnP Server is MinimServer, the Control Point is Hi-Fi Cast and the Renderer is the X2600H.

Denon don't implement the OpenHome extension so you'll need to install BubbleUPnP Server and use the BubbleUPnP Android app in order to control the playback queue from multiple devices.

Before installing BubbleUPnP Server try the Android app to make sure it works for you.

The interface of the BubbleUPnP Android app can be a little busy in its default configuration, but it's very customisable. I had posted some notes about how to configure it for just UPnP playback, so if you have any issues let me know and I'll dig them out.

Thank you. I know the bubble app a little, but BubbleUPnP Server qpkg did not have a valid signature, meaning QNAP doesn't trust this software. Should I allow it?
So after this all is set up, multiple people can stream also different qnap files through Bubbleupnp app to different renderes (radio's) too, or only see the same playlist?

[simbun]

(14-05-2025 13:42)jdg072 Wrote:  Thank you. I know the bubble app a little, but BubbleUPnP Server qpkg did not have a valid signature, meaning QNAP doesn't trust this software. Should I allow it?

As long as you've sourced the package from the BubbleUPnP Server site then it should safe (it's where I've installed it from).

(14-05-2025 13:42)jdg072 Wrote:  So after this all is set up, multiple people can stream also different qnap files through Bubbleupnp app to different renderes (radio's) too, or only see the same playlist?

BubbleUPnP works the same as Hi-Fi Cast in that it can play tracks from a UPnP media server (MinimServer) to UPnP rendeders (Denon) and Chromecast devices.
For every renderer that you want to control from multiple devices you will need to create an equivalent proxy in BubbleUPnP Server, then make sure you're playing to that proxy renderer e.g. play to "X2600H (OpenHome)" instead of "X2600H" (which you can hide in More > Settings > Configure devices visibility).

BubbleUPnP Server > Media Renderers >

• Select your renderer and enable 'Create an OpenHome renderer' in the right panel.
• Personally I prefer to set 'Decode audio to PCM for:' to 'Never use' so I'm in control of any transcoding.