Streamlining the browsing tree & multiple configs

[Dieter Stockert]

[quote='DavidHB' pid='4842' dateline='1379770371']I'm with the other David on this one. Metadata editing is the kind of work-type structured activity that is best done on a workstation of some sort, ideally one with access to lots of screen real estate./quote]

I'm with this too and I'm working with Jaikoz on a 27" screen. But if I listen to some music and notice that a tag has to be corrected (for example "Andante" instead of "Andnate"), that should easily be done 'on the fly' instead of writing it down which track and what's wrong, then after listening go to the computer, start Jaikoz and make the small correction.

[simoncn]

(21-09-2013 17:41)Dieter Stockert Wrote:  I'm with this too and I'm working with Jaikoz on a 27" screen. But if I listen to some music and notice that a tag has to be corrected (for example "Andante" instead of "Andnate"), that should easily be done 'on the fly' instead of writing it down which track and what's wrong, then after listening go to the computer, start Jaikoz and make the small correction.

To enable this, the UPnP server would need to be integrated with a tagging program, and it would provide a remote interface that runs on your iThing and allows you to view and change tags. Apparently JRMC with JRemote supports this. See this thread.

[DavidHB]

(21-09-2013 14:48)simoncn Wrote:  I'm fine with browsing my tags as part of a listening session, but I wouldn't want to fix them at that time.

Me neither. I'd make a hash of it. But that does create the problem that it's all too easy to forget to do it later ...

David

[haggis999]

(21-09-2013 18:47)DavidHB Wrote:  Me neither. I'd make a hash of it. But that does create the problem that it's all too easy to forget to do it later ...

That's what Post-it notes were invented for. I always keep some in my shirt pocket so never have to shift from the sofa when the need arises.

David

[haggis999]

Some further experimenting with the MinimServer configuration I displayed a couple of posts ago, has shown up an issue with classical albums that contain single track works (similar to a pop album). Because I am browsing in the classical genre I am expecting to be able to use my custom Work tag, whether or not that work occupies one track or 40 tracks. I also have aliasTags = Work:Group.

However, for a single track work the Work tag and the Track tag would be the same and the 'Group' would be a group of one. The result is a redundant extra step in the selection process but that is a relatively minor problem. My primary issue is that there is no quick way to select all the tracks in, for example, a Chopin piano recital CD. You can only drill down to a single track at a time on the album.

Is there any way to change this behaviour?

David

EDIT: One solution might be for me to have an empty Work tag for single track works. That fixes the immediate problem in MinimServer but I don't yet know if it messes things up elsewhere.

I have created a calculated custom tag in JRMC snappily called WorkOrTrackTitle. The value of this tag comes from the expression if(!isempty([work]),[work],[name]), which returns the Work tag if available and the Name tag (what JRMC calls the Track title) if Work is empty. Using WorkOrTrackTitle where previously I would have used Work may be a viable solution in all apps that support custom tags. Obviously, I would have to save the WorkOrTrackTitle tag into all the FLAC files.

[haggis999]

(21-09-2013 14:22)DavidHB Wrote:  I will clearly need to look into JMRC at some stage. For now, I haven't found anything I can't do in MP3Tag, though regilar expressions make my head ache ...

That said, I do rather resent applications that use a forum as the replacement for a user manual. To a significant extent, MP3Tag does this as well. By contrast, you have to give Simon full marks for the clarity and accessibility of his MinimServer documentation.

JRMC has a searchable online Wiki system in place of a conventional user manual. This is a link to the table of contents page:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Categor..._Questions

David

[simoncn]

(21-09-2013 22:23)haggis999 Wrote:  Some further experimenting with the MinimServer configuration I displayed a couple of posts ago, has shown up an issue with classical albums that contain single track works (similar to a pop album). Because I am browsing in the classical genre I am expecting to be able to use my custom Work tag, whether or not that work occupies one track or 40 tracks. I also have aliasTags = Work:Group.

However, for a single track work the Work tag and the Track tag would be the same and the 'Group' would be a group of one. The result is a redundant extra step in the selection process but that is a relatively minor problem. My primary issue is that there is no quick way to select all the tracks in, for example, a Chopin piano recital CD. You can only drill down to a single track at a time on the album.

Is there any way to change this behaviour?

David

This is a problem with foobar2000, not with MinimServer or your tagging. If you use another control point such as Kinsky or BubbleUPnP/BubbleDS, viewing the album will allow you to select the complete contents of the album, whether the album contains tracks directly, tracks within groups, or a mixture of these. When using foobar2000, only tracks contained directly in the album are visible for selection.

Quote:EDIT: One solution might be for me to have an empty Work tag for single track works. That fixes the immediate problem in MinimServer but I don't yet know if it messes things up elsewhere.

It would mean these tracks aren't visible when you browse the index for the names of your works. I'm not sure whether you've currently got indexTags set up to use your Work tag values for this.

Quote:I have created a calculated custom tag in JRMC snappily called WorkOrTrackTitle. The value of this tag comes from the expression if(!isempty([work]),[work],[name]), which returns the Work tag if available and the Name tag (what JRMC calls the Track title) if Work is empty. Using WorkOrTrackTitle where previously I would have used Work may be a viable solution in all apps that support custom tags. Obviously, I would have to save the WorkOrTrackTitle tag into all the FLAC files.

This wouldn't help if you use WorkOrTrackTitle:Group in aliasTags, because you would get the same problem as you're seeing now. You would need to put Work:Group in aliasTags and put WorkOrTrackTitle in indexTags. This is similar to my own approach of using Composition for what you are calling WorkOrTrackTitle.

A simpler solution would be to use Kinsky or BubbleUPnP/BubbleDS as a control point instead of foobar2000. Kinsky runs on various platforms including Windows, and BubblePnP/BubbleDS run on Android only. This would require you have a UPnP renderer, which could be either be a separate piece of hardware or some software running on your Windows PC. Is this a possibility?

[Dieter Stockert]

(20-09-2013 17:10)simoncn Wrote:  You might consider trying the Group tag again. The implementation of this has been much improved in the last couple of releases.

I must admit that I was still running version 0.32 because I don't like the installation procedure of Minim Server. I prefer automatic updates where I only have to click yes or no. But I gave it a chance and it looks very promising. Thank you, Simon. (But it will take quite a while to retag my collection ...)

[simoncn]

(22-09-2013 09:28)Dieter Stockert Wrote:  I must admit that I was still running version 0.32 because I don't like the installation procedure of Minim Server. I prefer automatic updates where I only have to click yes or no. But I gave it a chance and it looks very promising. Thank you, Simon. (But it will take quite a while to retag my collection ...)

I have some good news for you. I'm working on a web update facility for MinimServer, with automatic notification when an update is available and a simple one-click installation procedure. This will be supported in the next release. As well as making it easier for users to install updates, this should enable me to release updates more frequently than I'm able to do at the moment.

[Dieter Stockert]

Simon, I love you!