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Music-Guy · 07-07-2022, 13:52

(06-07-2022 21:01)simbun Wrote: Have a play with this profile and see what you think.

Thank you very much!
I've been playing around with the new configuration. That's already a huge improvement!
However, I still have a few questions or points:

Can the view Album Artist -> be displayed without the index A-Z? So that the artists are displayed directly?
AC/DC is displayed as AC. The artist then says AC, DC
Can "All Artists" be hidden? It's kind of redundant because there "Album Artists" already
"Date Added" is not needed
"Audio Quality" is not needed, can the filtering be removed in general?
The display of the quality in the square brackets behind the name of an album is also not needed.
Under "Genre", if you select a genre, all albums of the genre are displayed directly. Is it possible to switch between sorting by artist? In other words, genre \ artist \ album
Can "Date" be grouped so that the decades are displayed first? E.g. by defining a filter that says all titles whose YEAR-tag starts with 197... are grouped to 1970s.
Under "Date", if you select a year, all albums of this year are displayed directly. Is it possible to sort by artist? So ideally decade \ year \ artist \ album
Can the newly defined audio types also be displayed directly on the top level?
The title display now looks like this: Track number\Track, Duration. Here, only Track is sufficient for me, since number and duration are already displayed in the control point (BubbleUPnP).
With Twonky, it used to be the case that if an album consisted of several CDs, the track number was displayed in ascending order, but then started again at 1 for the next CD. Overall, however, all tracks were displayed in the correct order (based on the CD number) in one view. So I could quickly see where one CD ended and another began. With MimimServer, the track number is displayed continuously in BubbleUPnP, even if the track is already on the next CD. Is it possible to adjust this behaviour?

(06-07-2022 22:18)simoncn Wrote: Most updates can be installed automatically (if there is an internet connection), but moving to a new version needs to be done manually.

Perfect! Thanks.

Will new audio content be automatically recognised and included in the library, or do I have to manually trigger a rescan after adding new files?

simbun · 07-07-2022, 15:34

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

Can the view Album Artist -> be displayed without the index A-Z? So that the artists are displayed directly?

The alphaGroup option instructs MinimServer to only show the A-Z index if there are more than x number of values to present, so if you change the artist value to 'artist=9999' it will only show the A-Z grouping if, when selecting the Artist index, there are more than 9999 unique values returned. You can obviously change albums and items too or remove them completely.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

AC/DC is displayed as AC. The artist then says AC, DC

Is this an mp3 file? I assume it's stored as ID3v2.3 which uses '/' as the delimiter for multiple artist values! ID3v2.4 fixes this. I don't think there's much you can do about that other than move to the later standard. If I'm wrong let me know.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

Can "All Artists" be hidden? It's kind of redundant because there "Album Artists" already

Yes, just remove 'All Artists,' from indexTags

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

"Date Added" is not needed

"Audio Quality" is not needed, can the filtering be removed in general?

As above, just remove '-Description:Date Added,' and '#AudioQuality:Audio Quality,' from indexTags.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

The display of the quality in the square brackets behind the name of an album is also not needed.

Remove '$#AudioQuality^ [^]' from tagFormat

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

Under "Genre", if you select a genre, all albums of the genre are displayed directly. Is it possible to switch between sorting by artist? In other words, genre \ artist \ album

If after selecting an index there are less albums remaining than the listViewAlbums setting then MinimServer will take you straight to the Album view. This is at the default 200 and can be changed depending upon how you feel about scrolling vs filtering.
I'm not sure what you mean about sorting, because the current default Album sort is artist, date, album.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

Can "Date" be grouped so that the decades are displayed first? E.g. by defining a filter that says all titles whose YEAR-tag starts with 197... are grouped to 1970s.

You can have a filter that shows you the decade, but it won't show you the year straight afterwards. You could obviously have a Decade index and a Year index though. Let me know if you want that, although it would be nice if MinimServer did that by default...

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

Under "Date", if you select a year, all albums of this year are displayed directly. Is it possible to sort by artist? So ideally decade \ year \ artist \ album

Some of this answer is above, but are you asking to select a decade, then it offer you immediately to select a year, then an artist and finally to view albums? If that's what you're asking then that's the one thing that MinimServer doesn't do, define hierarchies, and as you've found out, it's often quicker not to HAVE to make those steps (because it took you straight to albums and you could scroll through from there).
If you changed listViewAlbums to 1 then it will force you to keep making index selections until there aren't any selections left to make (or you choose n Albums).

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

Can the newly defined audio types also be displayed directly on the top level?

It can be displayed below the automatic indexes by making it the first item in indexTags, but it can't be displayed above those.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

The title display now looks like this: Track number\Track, Duration. Here, only Track is sufficient for me, since number and duration are already displayed in the control point (BubbleUPnP).

Just remove the title.displayFormat={...} from the tagFormat.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

With Twonky, it used to be the case that if an album consisted of several CDs, the track number was displayed in ascending order, but then started again at 1 for the next CD. Overall, however, all tracks were displayed in the correct order (based on the CD number) in one view. So I could quickly see where one CD ended and another began. With MimimServer, the track number is displayed continuously in BubbleUPnP, even if the track is already on the next CD. Is it possible to adjust this behaviour?

I think I may be able to force it to state 'Disc %discnumber%' at the top of each disc, assuming you have the tag DiscNumber populated? I'll get back to you on that.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote: Will new audio content be automatically recognised and included in the library, or do I have to manually trigger a rescan after adding new files?

You'd need to perform a scan from MinimWatch, but given you're using BubbleUPnP, if you go to the Devices tab, and select the 3 vertical dots menu you're able to select 'Rescan library'.

Let me know how you get on. I can always make the changes this end, as it probably took me longer to write it than do it :-)

simbun · (This post was last modified: 07-07-2022 16:13 by simbun.)

To get Disc X appearing for albums that have more than 1 disc, try:

itemTags: ', DiscNumber, DiscSubtitle'
tagValue: ', DiscSubtitle.default={'XX'}'
tagFormat: ', discSubtitle.displayFormat={$discNumber^Disc ^^}'

paste these values at the end of what's currently there without the enclosing quotes.

DiscSubtitle.default={'XX'} is just putting something in the tag so that MinimServer knows to display it. It doesn't look like you populate it yourself, but if you do let me know.

I've just made the changes this end so you could just download it.

simoncn · 07-07-2022, 16:24

Quote:... if you change the artist value to 'artist=9999' it will only show the A-Z grouping if, when selecting the Artist index, there are more than 9999 unique values returned.

Or more simply, just remove artist=200 from the alphaGroup property.

Quote:Can "All Artists" be hidden? It's kind of redundant because there "Album

The All Artists index shows all artists for all tracks. The Album Artists index won't show these additional artists for any album with an AlbumArtist tag.

(07-07-2022 13:52)Music-Guy Wrote:

Under "Genre", if you select a genre, all albums of the genre are displayed directly. Is it possible to switch between sorting by artist? In other words, genre \ artist \ album

You can remove the listViewAlbums setting if you want to always select by artist after selecting Genre (and similarly for other indexes).

Quote:With MinimServer, the track number is displayed continuously in BubbleUPnP, even if the track is already on the next CD. Is it possible to adjust this behaviour?

If yuou want this for all albums, you can do it without any DiscNumber or DiscSubtitle settings. Just add showAllDiscs=true to the serverOptions property.

simbun · 07-07-2022, 16:58

(07-07-2022 16:24)simoncn Wrote:
Quote:Can "All Artists" be hidden? It's kind of redundant because there "Album

The All Artists index shows all artists for all tracks. The Album Artists index won't show these additional artists for any album with an AlbumArtist tag.

On the dBpoweramp forum he'd mentioned that he doesn't actually use AlbumArtist, he just populates the main artist in the Artist field and stores guest artists in the Title tag.
In his config he's actually renamed the Artist tag to Album Artist but I don't know if that was intentional as he said he copied and pasted a few bits from other posts.

(07-07-2022 16:24)simoncn Wrote:
Quote:With MinimServer, the track number is displayed continuously in BubbleUPnP, even if the track is already on the next CD. Is it possible to adjust this behaviour?

If yuou want this for all albums, you can do it without any DiscNumber or DiscSubtitle settings. Just add showAllDiscs=true to the serverOptions property.

A much better option that I'd probably learned and forgotten about years ago now :-)

I guess it's probably not unreasonable for someone who chose to have a decade index to expect it to drill down to year too. Personally I have yearmonth, but if they worked like that I'd probably choose year as my starting point.

simoncn · 07-07-2022, 17:28

(07-07-2022 16:58)simbun Wrote: On the dBpoweramp forum he'd mentioned that he doesn't actually use AlbumArtist, he just populates the main artist in the Artist field and stores guest artists in the Title tag.

Thanks for clarifying.

Quote:I guess it's probably not unreasonable for someone who chose to have a decade index to expect it to drill down to year too. Personally I have yearmonth, but if they worked like that I'd probably choose year as my starting point.

It is possible to do this. See this post.

Music-Guy · (This post was last modified: 07-07-2022 18:55 by Music-Guy.)

(07-07-2022 16:00)simbun Wrote: I've just made the changes this end so you could just download it.

Wow, that looks pretty good now!
Thank You.

(07-07-2022 15:34)simbun Wrote: Is this an mp3 file? I assume it's stored as ID3v2.3 which uses '/' as the delimiter for multiple artist values! ID3v2.4 fixes this. I don't think there's much you can do about that other than move to the later standard. If I'm wrong let me know.

Yes. It is an MP3 file with ID3v2.3 tag. I have now raised the tag to ID3v2.4. This fixes the error.
Strange: I haven't had any display problems here under Twonky so far.

(07-07-2022 15:34)simbun Wrote: but given you're using BubbleUPnP, if you go to the Devices tab, and select the 3 vertical dots menu you're able to select 'Rescan library'.

Excellent!

(07-07-2022 16:00)simbun Wrote: To get Disc X appearing for albums that have more than 1 disc, try:

itemTags: ', DiscNumber, DiscSubtitle'
tagValue: ', DiscSubtitle.default={'XX'}'
tagFormat: ', discSubtitle.displayFormat={$discNumber^Disc ^^}'

paste these values at the end of what's currently there without the enclosing quotes.

I combined this with the showAllDiscs=true entry simoncn mentioned.
I like the view it gives on albums with multiple discs. Much better than what Twonky did!

But I have a few more questions:

How can I name the predefined names individually? For example, instead of "Album Artist", "Interpret".
Under "Audio Book" at the top is the entry ">> Complete Album". Can this item be hidden? BubbleUPnP has already integrated a function for this.
Under "Album Artist", the artists are still listed that are stored under ./music/various_artists, although they have the COMPILATON=1 tag. For the tracks under ./music/compilations/compilation_a and ./music/soundtracks/soundtrack_a, the artists are no longer listed.
For podcasts only, can the sorting be changed from alphabetical to by date?

(07-07-2022 17:28)simoncn Wrote: It is possible to do this. See this post.

Does this mean that I no longer have to create a filter for each decade and year, but that I can combine them?

I have attached my current configuration.

Overall, I can say that MinimServer is a very powerful software with many customisation options.
It also seems much faster and more resource-efficient to me. So far I am really enthusiastic.
Also from the great support here Smile

I'm sure I'll soon get used to the little things that can't be adjusted.

simbun · (This post was last modified: 07-07-2022 20:02 by simbun.)

(07-07-2022 18:05)Music-Guy Wrote:
(07-07-2022 15:34)simbun Wrote: Is this an mp3 file? I assume it's stored as ID3v2.3 which uses '/' as the delimiter for multiple artist values! ID3v2.4 fixes this. I don't think there's much you can do about that other than move to the later standard. If I'm wrong let me know.
Yes. It is an MP3 file with ID3v2.3 tag. I have now raised the tag to ID3v2.4. This fixes the error.
Strange: I haven't had any display problems here under Twonky so far.

Support for ID3v2.3 is patchy, even mp3tag uses the ID3v2.4 delimiter (NUL) in ID3V2.3 tags because, well, I assume because it thought it was better than /, but vendors do their own thing, and @simoncn likes to be spec compliant - which is obviously the correct thing to do.

(07-07-2022 18:05)Music-Guy Wrote:
(07-07-2022 16:00)simbun Wrote: To get Disc X appearing for albums that have more than 1 disc, try:

itemTags: ', DiscNumber, DiscSubtitle'
tagValue: ', DiscSubtitle.default={'XX'}'
tagFormat: ', discSubtitle.displayFormat={$discNumber^Disc ^^}'

paste these values at the end of what's currently there without the enclosing quotes.
I combined this with the showAllDiscs=true entry simoncn mentioned.
I like the view it gives on albums with multiple discs. Much better than what Twonky did!

I'll remove the unnecessary entries as showAllDiscs has the same effect.

(07-07-2022 18:05)Music-Guy Wrote: But I have a few more questions:

How can I name the predefined names individually? For example, instead of "Album Artist", "Interpret".

In the indexTags option you just need to suffix the tag with a colon and then the literal you want displayed. If you look you'll see that I've already done it for a number of the tags. So simply 'Artist:Interpret'.

(07-07-2022 18:05)Music-Guy Wrote:

Under "Audio Book" at the top is the entry ">> Complete Album". Can this item be hidden? BubbleUPnP has already integrated a function for this.

Do you see that when you first select Audio Book from the index filter? Does it take you straight to your albums? I think this means that the list you're presented with doesn't have all the tracks related to an "album", does that make sense?

(07-07-2022 18:05)Music-Guy Wrote:

Under "Album Artist", the artists are still listed that are stored under ./music/various_artists, although they have the COMPILATON=1 tag. For the tracks under ./music/compilations/compilation_a and ./music/soundtracks/soundtrack_a, the artists are no longer listed.

Are you saying that you're selecting Audio Type Filter='Music' yet you're still seeing artists that should be under Compilations?
This shouldn't be happening. If you apply the music filter, then select one of the artists that you think shouldn't be there from the Album Artists index, and then click on the n items index it will take you to all the tracks that belong to that artist. If you click on the 3 vertical dots nest to one of the tracks and select 'Show metadata' it will show you (in http syntax) where that file is. If you think it shouldn't be there can you look at its tags.

(07-07-2022 18:05)Music-Guy Wrote:

For podcasts only, can the sorting be changed from alphabetical to by date?

You can only have one sort for Albums, but try removing Artist from the tagOptions:Album.sortTags and see if that works better for all scenarios.

(07-07-2022 18:05)Music-Guy Wrote:
(07-07-2022 17:28)simoncn Wrote: It is possible to do this. See this post.
Does this mean that I no longer have to create a filter for each decade and year, but that I can combine them?

Unfortunately it's the same approach I took.

Do you have the tag ArtistSort, if not I can remove that.
Also, do you want both the 'Audio Type Filter' and 'Podcasts Filter'?

simoncn · 07-07-2022, 20:26

Quote:How can I name the predefined names individually? For example, instead of "Album Artist", "Interpret".

MinimServer translates these names automatically based on the system language setting of the device running MinimServer. By specifying Artist:Album Artist in indexTags instead of just Artist, you have overridden the automatic translation that MinimServer provides.

Quote:Under "Audio Book" at the top is the entry ">> Complete Album". Can this item be hidden? BubbleUPnP has already integrated a function for this.

You can remove this but it will also disable other things that you might want to keep. See this section for detals.

Quote:Under "Album Artist", the artists are still listed that are stored under ./music/various_artists, although they have the COMPILATON=1 tag. For the tracks under ./music/compilations/compilation_a and ./music/soundtracks/soundtrack_a, the artists are no longer listed.

If you reinstate the All Artists index, do you see the missing artists there?

Quote:For podcasts only, can the sorting be changed from alphabetical to by date?

At the moment I can't think of a way to do this.

Quote:Does this mean that I no longer have to create a filter for each decade and year, but that I can combine them?

No, it means that what is in your current configuration is the correct solution.

Music-Guy · (This post was last modified: 07-07-2022 23:39 by Music-Guy.)

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: Support for ID3v2.3 is patchy, even mp3tag uses the ID3v2.4 delimiter (NUL) in ID3V2.3 tags because, well, I assume because it thought it was better than /, but vendors do their own thing, and @simoncn likes to be spec compliant - which is obviously the correct thing to do.

Didn't know that. All my files are tagged in ID3v2.3. But in this case I'm thinking of updating all to ID3v2.4.

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: and @simoncn likes to be spec compliant - which is obviously the correct thing to do.

I absolutely agree in this. Spec comliancy is always to way it should go.

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: Do you see that when you first select Audio Book from the index filter? Does it take you straight to your albums? I think this means that the list you're presented with doesn't have all the tracks related to an "album", does that make sense?

When I go to "Audio Type Filter" and then to "Audio Book", I see ">> Complete Album" and below that all the titles of the audio book.
If I go to ">> Complete Album", I see ">> Hide Content" and the album name (with year). All the titles are then grouped by disc number.
Titles are not missing anywhere.
I have to say that I only have one audio book in the folder at the moment.
Please excuse me if I have misunderstood you.

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: Are you saying that you're selecting Audio Type Filter='Music' yet you're still seeing artists that should be under Compilations?
This shouldn't be happening. If you apply the music filter, then select one of the artists that you think shouldn't be there from the Album Artists index, and then click on the n items index it will take you to all the tracks that belong to that artist. If you click on the 3 vertical dots nest to one of the tracks and select 'Show metadata' it will show you (in http syntax) where that file is. If you think it shouldn't be there can you look at its tags.

No, the Audio Type Filter=Music does not include the artists from the files tagged with COMPILATION=1.
But under "Album Artist" (called directly from the top level).
Strangely, not all compilation artists are listed there, but only those from the folder ./music/various_artists.
The compilation artists from the other folders whose files are tagged with COMPILATION=1 are not listed there.
I checked the storage location via the metadata. The files in question are indeed only in this one folder (and its subfolders).
I have also checked the tags of the audio files in question and could not find any deviations from the tagging scheme of the other compilation files.

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: You can only have one sort for Albums, but try removing Artist from the tagOptions:Album.sortTags and see if that works better for all scenarios.

I have tested both variants, but could not find any difference.

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: Do you have the tag ArtistSort, if not I can remove that.

No, I don't have that.

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: Also, do you want both the 'Audio Type Filter' and 'Podcasts Filter'?

Podcasts is already displayed under "Audio Type Filter".
Therefore, I do not need the category "Podcasts Filter" as a separate object.

(07-07-2022 20:01)simbun Wrote: In the indexTags option you just need to suffix the tag with a colon and then the literal you want displayed. If you look you'll see that I've already done it for a number of the tags. So simply 'Artist:Interpret'.

(07-07-2022 20:26)simoncn Wrote: MinimServer translates these names automatically based on the system language setting of the device running MinimServer. By specifying Artist:Album Artist in indexTags instead of just Artist, you have overridden the automatic translation that MinimServer provides.

Thank you for the hint. I have now included the adjustments I wanted to make.

(07-07-2022 20:26)simoncn Wrote: You can remove this but it will also disable other things that you might want to keep. See this section for detals.

Perfect. That was exactly what I was looking for.

(07-07-2022 20:26)simoncn Wrote: If you reinstate the All Artists index, do you see the missing artists there?

Yes, all artists will be listed there.
Regardless of which folder they are in and whether they are tagged with COMPILATION=1 or not.

(07-07-2022 20:26)simoncn Wrote: At the moment I can't think of a way to do this.

OK, that's not a big problem. More of a nice to have.

So far, it really does look very very good!
Thanks to your adjustments, the software even exceeds my expectations.
And I'm slowly getting to grips with the configuration and have to say that customising is really fun. Smile

Attached is the current configuration.