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The control app thread
24-04-2021, 16:52
Post: #51
RE: The control app thread
I installed and used the Lumin app for a few months when @bubbleguuum was tracking down an issue with my Auralic Aries G1 renderer when used with Qobuz. I did not notice any difference in the sound.

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25-04-2021, 17:31
Post: #52
RE: The control app thread
(05-12-2020 22:47)stefano_mbp Wrote:  Minimserver2 and Lumïn app on iPad and iPhone here: Lumïn app is working fine.

Lucky you.

What I experience is that Lumin app is regularly loosing the contact with the renderer, a Linn device. To the level that I wonder if it is not a trick from Lumin so that people buy Lumin renderer instead of Linn ;-)

When this happens (basically after 5-10 minutes without interaction), I solve the problem by closing the app and relaunching it again. But it is boring.

This on both ipad and iphone.

Pity, there is no better app than this one...
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25-04-2021, 18:21
Post: #53
RE: The control app thread
It must be said that I use Lumïn app as control point having Bubbleupnpserver that makes OpenHome compatible my 2 raspberrys pi4/RoPieee XL and one SoTM sMS200 Neo (all running MPD/DLNA )
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25-04-2021, 19:47
Post: #54
RE: The control app thread
(25-04-2021 18:21)stefano_mbp Wrote:  It must be said that I use Lumïn app as control point having Bubbleupnpserver that makes OpenHome compatible my 2 raspberrys pi4/RoPieee XL and one SoTM sMS200 Neo (all running MPD/DLNA )
This could be the difference.

Well, I don't need bubbleupnp server for my Linn, as it is UPnP AV compatible.

When I was using BubbleUpP server (I mean before I switched to DSM 7 :-) for my other renderer, I had the same issue also with Lumin app.

Simon would tell that probably it is an issue with the router
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04-05-2021, 14:05
Post: #55
RE: The control app thread
(02-08-2019 11:34)Ernst Wrote:  I'm using Denon renderers.

I'm using a RaspberryPi as renderer, running upmpdcli and mpd (also has MinimServer on it). For control points I also use BubbleUPnP on various Android devices, and Upplay on Windows 10, depending on where I am in the house. Apart from that consideration, I choose which of them to use depending on the following criteria:-

Upplay is good for managing the queue - deleting, moving or adding items. Also good for making a selection using the initial letter - good for a long list of artists' or track names.

Bubble is better for making selections based on album cover art, when I can only remember what something looks like! I use Qobuz and Bubble does a good job of proxying this, although I haven't tried to do this with upmpdcli nor mpd, which I think is theoretically possible.

Both controls operate simultaneously in OpenHome mode without any issue, with the OH option switched on in mpd. And both support viewing the cover art and other metadata of the current track, with a bit of help from MinimServer reconfiguring of data.

Would strongly recommend both, including responsiveness of their developers.
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05-05-2021, 09:03
Post: #56
RE: The control app thread
I've never heard of Upplay before, and good to see it's actively developed! Might be a decent option for the odd occasion I want to control it from a PC.

(04-05-2021 14:05)MarmiteSandwich Wrote:  Upplay is good for managing the queue - deleting, moving or adding items.
I haven't had a chance to play with it, but what does it do over what BubbleUPnP can? I'm guessing because you can have one tab per renderer you'll be able to move individual tracks between queues?

(04-05-2021 14:05)MarmiteSandwich Wrote:  Also good for making a selection using the initial letter - good for a long list of artists' or track names.
Using the alphaGroup configuration option in MinimServer will allow you to mimic this. It's intelligent enough to only group items where the resulting index size is greater than a configurable amount e.g 'albums=200' only group albums by first letter if there are more than 200 in my subset.
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05-05-2021, 09:47
Post: #57
RE: The control app thread
(05-05-2021 09:03)simbun Wrote:  Might be a decent option for the odd occasion I want to control it from a PC.

It's also available for Linux/Unix/MacOS, from the same developer who created upmpdcli as a upnp interface to mpd in Linux.

(05-05-2021 09:03)simbun Wrote:  I haven't had a chance to play with it, but what does it do over what BubbleUPnP can? I'm guessing because you can have one tab per renderer you'll be able to move individual tracks between queues?

It doesn't compare with Bubble, which has features galore and can also be a server and renderer. Upplay is quite simple and just a control point. It has a simple interface where you can add/delete and move items up and down the queue. One tab per library, but only one renderer queue at a time. You can switch to another renderer, but AFAIK you can't switch the queue from one renderer to another, like you can with Bubble. You can save/retrieve the current playlist, which would have the same effect, I guess. Supports searches and displays metadata for current track.

(05-05-2021 09:03)simbun Wrote:  Using the alphaGroup configuration option in MinimServer will allow you to mimic this. It's intelligent enough to only group items where the resulting index size is greater than a configurable amount e.g 'albums=200' only group albums by first letter if there are more than 200 in my subset.

I will check this out, but I guess it involves another step in the browse hierarchy, which is already a slight problem with MinimServer, which involves more selections than I would like. Upplay has some directory sorting options including 1 MinimServer special. Never tried these.

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06-05-2021, 09:04
Post: #58
RE: The control app thread
(05-05-2021 09:47)MarmiteSandwich Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 09:03)simbun Wrote:  Using the alphaGroup configuration option in MinimServer will allow you to mimic this. It's intelligent enough to only group items where the resulting index size is greater than a configurable amount e.g 'albums=200' only group albums by first letter if there are more than 200 in my subset.

I will check this out, but I guess it involves another step in the browse hierarchy, which is already a slight problem with MinimServer, which involves more selections than I would like.
You're correct in that it adds another step to the browse hierarchy, but how does Upplay do it, I guess you just type the letter you want, so still one further input :-)

With regard "which involves more selections than I would like", can you give us an example of a regular drill hierarchy? Between listViewAlbums, automatic selections and the tagUpdate functionality it's possible you'd be able to trim these steps down, particularly if they're the same index selections you perform regularly.
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06-05-2021, 16:18
Post: #59
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(06-05-2021 09:04)simbun Wrote:  You're correct in that it adds another step to the browse hierarchy, but how does Upplay do it, I guess you just type the letter you want, so still one further input :-)
That's right, but it's already there in Upplay!

(06-05-2021 09:04)simbun Wrote:  With regard "which involves more selections than I would like", can you give us an example of a regular drill hierarchy? Between listViewAlbums, automatic selections and the tagUpdate functionality it's possible you'd be able to trim these steps down, particularly if they're the same index selections you perform regularly.

I did ask this question some time ago, and Simon said it wasn't possible to configure MS to do what I wanted, which is a browse hierarchy like this:
Select Genre->List of artists
Select Artists->List of albums
Select album and enqueue.

Would be happy to try out a config which might provide this, but I think it probably conflicts with the design criteria of MS, which is to allow choice of browse direction at each step. I do sometimes use weird browse paths like Genre->Artist->Comment, so it isn't really a deal breaker. I like MinimServer enough to pay for 3 installs, and still feel happy.

BTW I checked the Upplay website and discovered I am way behind on the upgrades, so the current version may be better than I have suggested. I see something about album art display, for instance.

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07-05-2021, 10:21
Post: #60
RE: The control app thread
(06-05-2021 16:18)MarmiteSandwich Wrote:  I did ask this question some time ago, and Simon said it wasn't possible to configure MS to do what I wanted, which is a browse hierarchy like this:
Select Genre->List of artists
Select Artists->List of albums
Select album and enqueue.

When you said "which involves more selections than I would like", I was imagining dozens, but as you say, what you really want is a defined hierarchy, something which MinimServer isn't designed for.
You mention that you sometimes also want to browse by comment, so the only way to achieve what you want would be to somehow define multiple browse paths and choose them at the top level, which does feel like a step backwards.

I had a look at Upplay on Ubuntu and it seems functional. I had assumed the tabs would have been renderers but they're music sources, which I don't really get the value of, although I suppose it suits you as you can "bookmark" the Artist hierarchy as your entry point.
Still, if I want a desktop control point it'll probably be my go-to from now on, although I did struggle with the Server Side album search; for some reason it was searching on the raw album tag, and not the .displayFormat value (my raw tag value is an album id so I can have MinimServer group albums how I want without merging). A server side search in BubbleUPnP doesn't do that, so not sure what's going on there given it should be the same for both (given it's server side).
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