Gap between tracks

[simoncn]

It looks like these Pioneer players support gapless playback with the latest firmware.

[Leixuros]

Thank you very much for all your help. You really work hard to help me feel good. And I hate it to respond like a stubborn child. But what can I do? This device is expensive and I can’t attach my boxes directly but have to add an amplifier. This is too much just for being able to use DLNA. Don’t understand me wrong. I appreciate very much that you sacrifice your time for me, but... I think, the best solution will be, we give up and I turn back to my compact discs and wait for better times. Apple will not change his music app for iOS, but may be there will be a time when a DLNA device works as it should for a reasonable price.

[simoncn]

(22-11-2014 15:56)Leixuros Wrote:  Thank you very much for all your help. You really work hard to help me feel good. And I hate it to respond like a stubborn child. But what can I do? This device is expensive and I can’t attach my boxes directly but have to add an amplifier. This is too much just for being able to use DLNA. Don’t understand me wrong. I appreciate very much that you sacrifice your time for me, but... I think, the best solution will be, we give up and I turn back to my compact discs and wait for better times. Apple will not change his music app for iOS, but may be there will be a time when a DLNA device works as it should for a reasonable price.

I understand how you feel. Network streaming with UPnP and DLNA has a number of frustrations and inadequacies at present and things will no doubt improve in the future. We should all remember that listening to the music is the most important thing.

[Leixuros]

You’re right

EDIT: I jut found a solution which is not the best I can imagine, but it works. I remembered that we have here an old iPOd touch with iOS 6, we didn’t use for a long time. Apple damaged the music app and the iTunes remote with iOS 7, when the idea »function follows design« became central for all this company does. But with iOS 6 it is quite fine to use Airplay. At least I can chose the composer and get a list of albums, not list of all tracks associated with this composer. That’s a smaller step back and a huge one forward
(Now I understand why I didn’t know this problem before: I didn’t update to iOS 7 until september (and this was an error), and was very busy the last time so that I had no chance to think about those strange gaps which weren’t there before...
Anyway: I’d prefer a solution with DLNA, because I like Minim Server. May be in my next live...

[DavidHB]

(22-11-2014 09:56)simoncn Wrote:  

(22-11-2014 01:52)DavidHB Wrote:  I have half a recollection that the published UPnP AV protocol does not provide for gapless play (Simon may be able to confirm this). Some extension of the standard therefore has to be implemented to provide the gapless capability; this is certainly the case with the Linn players I use.

This isn't correct. The UPnP AV specification includes the optional service action SetNextAVTransportURI which can be used by UPnP AV renderers and control points to support gapless play.

Quote:I suspect (but, as DLNA is not an open standard, cannot know) that DLNA certification does not allow extensions to the protocols; if this is true, this would explain the advice given to Leixuros.

Fortunately, this isn't true. If the extension is compatible with the DLNA protocols and the product passes the DLNA conformance tests, the product can be certified as DLNA.

Thank you, Simon, for these helpful corrections. It is clear that there is no reason why a DLNA certified player cannot support gapless play.

David

[Leixuros]

But the truth is, that nearly no DLNA certified players don’t support gapless play.

Now I found one which seems to be what I’m looking for: Marantz Melody Stream. Unfortunately I can’t find any clear message if it supports gapless play and how. The product sheet says it does, some reviews on Amazon say it doesn’t. May be it’s the same as with Denon: It supports gapless play, but one can’t use it... Does anybody know this device? I searched on their page and didn’t find any hint...

[DavidHB]

(23-11-2014 09:30)Leixuros Wrote:  But the truth is, that nearly no DLNA certified players don’t support gapless play.

Is there a particular reason why you need the player to be DLNA certified? As far as I know, most high end or specialist audio network players are not DLNA certified, but are specified as UPnP compliant. If they are also capable of gapless play, that should meet your needs and concerns as you have described them.

David

[Leixuros]

Well. I didn’t find such a player. Many of them have airplay what isn’t what I’m looking for, others habe DLNAm which doesn’t work for me because they didn’t support gapless playback or only for flac and wav, and I can’t use these formats because I use iTunes and have to stay with iTunes for my iPod. I didn’t even hear about UPnP and don’t know what it means. But for me it’s not important how it is named. I just want to play my files on my stereo device. If a player is able to do this in a good fashiin, it’s ok, if I can afford it. Airplay was not perfect but possible until Apple damaged the iOS remote. Now this is no longer an option and I’m looking for another one. Minim Server is quite fine, but there is noplayer which can play the music as needed. So I’m stuck.

[DavidHB]

(23-11-2014 23:36)Leixuros Wrote:  Well. I didn’t find such a player ... So I’m stuck.

To be honest, I'm not sure what you mean by "such a player". UPnP-compliant players with gapless capability which can stream from MinimServer on a NAS or computer are now quite common. I have two - different models from the Linn range - and there are others from the likes of Cambridge Audio in a somewhat less demanding price bracket. There are versions with their own amplification, others that function as pre-amplifiers, and a third group which simply function as a source component within an existing hi-fi system. Obviously, your requirements are your own, but it isn't immediately apparent to me why you feel so stuck.

And I'd certainly echo Simon's advice that "listening to the music is the most important thing." My delay in responding to your post was the result of doing just that ...

David

[simoncn]

(24-11-2014 16:52)DavidHB Wrote:  To be honest, I'm not sure what you mean by "such a player". UPnP-compliant players with gapless capability which can stream from MinimServer on a NAS or computer are now quite common. I have two - different models from the Linn range - and there are others from the likes of Cambridge Audio in a somewhat less demanding price bracket. There are versions with their own amplification, others that function as pre-amplifiers, and a third group which simply function as a source component within an existing hi-fi system. Obviously, your requirements are your own, but it isn't immediately apparent to me why you feel so stuck.

I have found surprisingly few players that can play gapless when controlled by a UPnP/DLNA control point such as BubbleUPnP or JRiver (this requires support for the SetNextAVTransportURI service action). According to this post, the Denon DNP-F109 has this support.