MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist

[steve1977]

I still need to check out support for MiniM server. I am on a TF built, so will wait for the next iteration.

DBPoweramp can also not read the Jaikoz tags. I am on V15 though and there is a V16 out, which may support it. Not sure whether this is worth the update though.

Yes, albumartists tag exist with Picard, but it is hidden. The script unhides this functionality. Works flawless for MP3s.

MP4 tagging is the biggest Picard weakness. For MP4s, artists is broken and albumartists not yet supported.

I would love to switch to Jaikoz, but will be tough without tag scripting (I use this extensively). Also, it would break Kodi support.

Let me try to get multi-value working with MiniM with Picard tags. If I read you correctly, it should work out of the box after updating to V2.4 and by adding artists:-artist (for artists). And for album artists, this may also work with the work-around described here (http://blog.jthink.net/2017/05/minimserv...bum.html). At least for MP3s. To try this, can I just follow the instructions or need to change any capitalization or anything else to comply with Picard standards?

Thanks again for your help, this is very helpful!

[simoncn]

(05-08-2017 11:03)paultaylor Wrote:  Does dbPoweramp really not support ID3v24 ?

There is a configuration setting in dBpoweramp to choose between ID3v2.3 and ID3v2.4. You can find it under the mp3 codec, Advanced Options, ID Tagging, mp3 ID Tagging, ID3v2 Version.

[paultaylor]

(05-08-2017 11:26)steve1977 Wrote:  I still need to check out support for MiniM server. I am on a TF built, so will wait for the next iteration.

You could test by just installing MinimServer on your PC.

(05-08-2017 11:26)steve1977 Wrote:  Yes, albumartists tag exist with Picard, but it is hidden. The script unhides this functionality. Works flawless for MP3s.

Hopefully they will make compatible with Jaikoz since we have had this tag for quite a while.

(05-08-2017 11:26)steve1977 Wrote:  I would love to switch to Jaikoz, but will be tough without tag scripting (I use this extensively). Also, it would break Kodi support.

Fair enough, I would like to add tag scripting to Jaikoz (and SongKong) but I would be interested in knowing what you use it for, I suspect many things can be handled by Jaikoz extensive range of options. Lots of people use Picard and Jaikoz together.

(05-08-2017 11:26)steve1977 Wrote:  Let me try to get multi-value working with MiniM with Picard tags. If I read you correctly, it should work out of the box after updating to V2.4 and by adding artists:-artist (for artists).

Yes I think so

(05-08-2017 11:26)steve1977 Wrote:  And for album artists, this may also work with the work-around described here (http://blog.jthink.net/2017/05/minimserv...bum.html).

Yes, but if using Picard tags you need to use albumartists instead of album_artists

(05-08-2017 11:26)steve1977 Wrote:  At least for MP3s. To try this, can I just follow the instructions or need to change any capitalization or anything else to comply with Picard standards?
Thanks again for your help, this is very helpful!

MinimServer is caseinsensitive, capitalization does not matter to it.

[steve1977]

(05-08-2017 13:23)paultaylor Wrote:  You could test by just installing MinimServer on your PC.

I have the server installed. Didn't know it has an GUI to see the artist list. How to access it?

(05-08-2017 13:23)paultaylor Wrote:  Hopefully they will make compatible with Jaikoz since we have had this tag for quite a while.

I wish, but doubt. They have it hidden for over a year. But fingers crossed. Would be good!

(05-08-2017 13:23)paultaylor Wrote:  Fair enough, I would like to add tag scripting to Jaikoz (and SongKong) but I would be interested in knowing what you use it for, I suspect many things can be handled by Jaikoz extensive range of options.

Quite a few things:

1) Changing name of releasegroup of compilation series manually, for example
$set(albumartist,$if($and($in(%releasetype%,compilation),$in($lower(%album%),bud​dha)),Buddha Bar $unset(musicbrainz_albumartistid),%albumartist%))
$set(albumartistsort,$if($and($in(%releasetype%,compilation),$in($lower(%album%)​,buddha)),Buddha Bar,%albumartistsort%))

2) Changing all soundtracks to releasegroup Soundtrack, for example
$set(albumartist,$if($and($eq(%albumartist%,Various Artists),$in(%releasetype%,soundtrack)),Soundtrack $unset(musicbrainz_albumartistid),%albumartist%))
$set(albumartistsort,$if($and($eq(%albumartistsort%,Various Artists),$in(%releasetype%,soundtrack)),Soundtrack,%albumartistsort%))

3) Remove compilation tag
$set(compilation,0)

4) Set album date to first released date
$set(date,$if2(%originaldate%,%date%))

5) Add release comment to album title
$set(album,%album%$if(%_releasecomment%, \(%_releasecomment%\)))

(05-08-2017 13:23)paultaylor Wrote:  Lots of people use Picard and Jaikoz together.

I wouldn't mind doing this. Picard for the original scan. Jaikoz to add artists and albumartists as well as update the files. But this would require to "lock" a few fields. Would this be doable? And there would be issues with the albumartists for cases when I have used scripting to change the albumartist.

[Alandbush]

(05-08-2017 13:47)steve1977 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 13:23)paultaylor Wrote:  You could test by just installing MinimServer on your PC.

I have the server installed. Didn't know it has an GUI to see the artist list. How to access it?

Minimserver does not have a GUI to view index lists.

I would suggest using the Kinsky PC control point software from Linn. It is available for both Windows and Mac.

Regards.

ps: I copied an old MP3 file, amended the ID3V2.3 tags as per your Baba Saad feat. Bushido track, set Minimserver to rescan and ...

Minimserver.log extract
===============
adding file tag ARTISTSORT=Baba Saad & Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTSORT=Baba Saad feat. Bushido
adding file tag ARTIST=Baba Saad & Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTIST=Baba Saad feat. Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS=Baba Saad
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS=Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS_SORT=Baba Saad
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS_SORT=Bushido
adding file tag ARTISTS=Baba Saad
adding file tag ARTISTS=Bushido
adding file tag ARTISTS_SORT=Baba Saad
adding file tag ARTISTS_SORT=Bushido

Kinsky PC version index lists
==================
Artist
Baba Saad feat. Bushido

All Artists
Baba Saad
Bushido

I assume this is what you require?

[steve1977]

Thanks. Will keep you updated whether it works.

I have been experimenting with Jaikoz a bit. I am also not succeeing to tag multi-value albumartists for MP4 files. It works for MP3s well, but appears not to work for MP4.

I tried to tag this album: https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/77...9f578e2cae

The albumartist shows proper as "Falco curated by Blank & Jones". However, albumartists only show "Falco: (1).

Do I miss a setting in Jaikoz?

[steve1977]

(05-08-2017 16:04)Alandbush Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 13:47)steve1977 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 13:23)paultaylor Wrote:  You could test by just installing MinimServer on your PC.

I have the server installed. Didn't know it has an GUI to see the artist list. How to access it?

Minimserver does not have a GUI to view index lists.

I would suggest using the Kinsky PC control point software from Linn. It is available for both Windows and Mac.

Regards.

ps: I copied an old MP3 file, amended the ID3V2.3 tags as per your Baba Saad feat. Bushido track, set Minimserver to rescan and ...

Minimserver.log extract
===============
adding file tag ARTISTSORT=Baba Saad & Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTSORT=Baba Saad feat. Bushido
adding file tag ARTIST=Baba Saad & Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTIST=Baba Saad feat. Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS=Baba Saad
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS=Bushido
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS_SORT=Baba Saad
adding file tag ALBUMARTISTS_SORT=Bushido
adding file tag ARTISTS=Baba Saad
adding file tag ARTISTS=Bushido
adding file tag ARTISTS_SORT=Baba Saad
adding file tag ARTISTS_SORT=Bushido

Kinsky PC version index lists
==================
Artist
Baba Saad feat. Bushido

All Artists
Baba Saad
Bushido

I assume this is what you require?

Close, but not fully what I am looking for. Let me share the tags of the second song of this album as it will make it easier to describe what I am trying to accomplish.

2. Falscher Freund
Artist: Baba Saad & D-Bo
Artists: Baba Saad; D-Bo
Albumartist: Baba Saad feat. Bushido
Albumartists: Baba Saad; Bushido

I would like in the artist view to see the two albumartists ("Baba Saad" and "Bushido"). I would not expect "D-Bo" to show up in the artist list as this will be limited to albumartists. Also, I would not expect "Baba Saad feat. Bushido" to be part of the artist list as this is not the artist.

Is this possible?

[Alandbush]

(05-08-2017 18:39)steve1977 Wrote:  Close, but not fully what I am looking for. Let me share the tags of the second song of this album as it will make it easier to describe what I am trying to accomplish.

2. Falscher Freund
Artist: Baba Saad & D-Bo
Artists: Baba Saad; D-Bo
Albumartist: Baba Saad feat. Bushido
Albumartists: Baba Saad; Bushido

I would like in the artist view to see the two albumartists ("Baba Saad" and "Bushido"). I would not expect "D-Bo" to show up in the artist list as this will be limited to albumartists. Also, I would not expect "Baba Saad feat. Bushido" to be part of the artist list as this is not the artist.

Is this possible?

Well, I'm nowhere near as experienced as PaulTaylor or Simoncn in manipulating tags.

Assuming that you are able to generate ALBUM_ARTISTS and ARTISTS tags for all your tracks (multiples of each were appropriate) then the only way I can achieve what you requested is as follows.

Minimserver properties
==============
aliasTags: ARTISTS:-Artist
indexTags: ALBUM_ARTISTS:Album Artists, All Artists, ...
Refer to User guide: Index tag selection for a description.

The Artist indexTag is replaced by ALBUM_ARTISTS:Album Artists.
Why? because the Artist indexTag is populated with the AlbumArtist tag value, if present, otherwise the Artist tag value, neither of which you require.

Similar to the Artist aliasTag property, you can alias the AlbumArtist. However, if you alias it with ALBUM_ARTISTS, and there are multiple tags with different values, MinimServer detects a conflict and will reject all the AlbumArtist tag values and use the Artist tag value instead. Again, not what you require.

Regards.

ps - I tried to keep it simple so did not include the 'SORT' tag variations.

[steve1977]

(05-08-2017 17:44)steve1977 Wrote:  I have been experimenting with Jaikoz a bit. I am also not succeeing to tag multi-value albumartists for MP4 files. It works for MP3s well, but appears not to work for MP4.

No idea what I did wrong, but i is working now.

Unfortunately, Kodi does not pick it up. Maybe because it reads "album_artists" instead of "abumartists". I tried to manually change this with MP3Tag, but without success. Is there a setting that I can change the tag name in Saikoz?

[paultaylor]

Hi just catching up on these posts.

(05-08-2017 13:47)steve1977 Wrote:  Quite a few things:
1) Changing name of releasegroup of compilation series manually
2) Changing all soundtracks to releasegroup Soundtrack

Cant do in script, but simple edit. Because Picard doesnt support editing I think that some things are scripted when it would actually be easier to edit.
Edit:Set Value to set the of selected fields to one value

Quote:3) Remove compilation tag
$set(compilation,0)

Right click on compilation column header and select Empty Column

Quote:4) Set album date to first released date
$set(date,$if2(%originaldate%,%date%))

Option Preferences:MusicBrainz:Format:Put Original Year Into Year

Quote:5) Add release comment to album title
$set(album,%album%$if(%_releasecomment%, \(%_releasecomment%\)))

Use Edit:Append to left for selected pairing of cells

(05-08-2017 13:23)paultaylor Wrote:  Lots of people use Picard and Jaikoz together.

Quote:I wouldn't mind doing this. Picard for the original scan. Jaikoz to add artists and albumartists as well as update the files. But this would require to "lock" a few fields. Would this be doable? And there would be issues with the albumartists for cases when I have used scripting to change the albumartist.

You can set fields to never modify in Preferences:MusicBrainz:Format:Never Modify these fields. Fields that Jaikoz doesnt see such as albumartists (rather than album_artists) are not seen by Jaikoz and therefore left alone when editing with Jaikoz. (Although you can sort of see them by enabling the View/Show ID3 tabs)