Question about the licence model and browsing through music

[simbun]

(08-07-2022 20:06)Music-Guy Wrote:  This is definitely going in the right direction.
I almost thought it was perfect.
But then I noticed that I can no longer sort by tag artist within "Radio Play".

Is there a solution for this?

You're definitely making this harder for yourself.

Can you try this as I'm not even sure what the current position is any more.

Add the last line to your tagUpdate.txt script after the @COMPILATION=1 block

Code:

@COMPILATION=1
+AUDIOTYPE=Compilations
+ARTISTSORT=Various Artists

This is so compilations are sorted together (by date, album essentially)

then add:
tagValue: ArtistSort.default={Artist}
and change:
tagOptions: Album.sortTags={ArtistSort, Date, Album}

You haven't clarified if you already have ArtistSort, but if you don't can you also remove:
tagValue: 'Artist.Value.Sort={ArtistSort}, '

and let me know what the hell happened ;-)

We're ignoring whether this should be done at the moment, and only if it can.

EDIT: Actually, whilst this may sort it correctly, BubbleUPnP will still be displaying the AlbumArtist under the album; probably not what you want.

[simbun]

I don't really understand your objection to an index that you don't have to select from. Aren't you ever going to want to filter on Radio Plays or Podcasts by artist xyz?

I'm signing out now, but will look back in tomorow.
If you want me to look over the current profile and tagUpdate script to trim up any excess just attach it here.

Have fun!

[simbun]

The reason you're having to fight this so much to get what you want is because you're storing the main artist in the Artist tag for Music. If you stored it in the AlbumArtist field (which is the standard) you'd then be able to use AlbumArtist in the indexTags instead of Artist and then you'd get the functionality you're looking for because the AlbumArtist index ONLY looks at AlbumArtist.

Make the change in a test environment and have a look. You'll also need to change any reference from Artist to AlbumArtist in the other options e.g. Album.sortTags={AlbumArtist, Date, Album}.

This would also mean your Podcasts, Radio Plays e.t.c. would sort by Date, Album (because AlbumArtist would be blank for them).

[Music-Guy]

(08-07-2022 20:30)simbun Wrote:  

Code:

@COMPILATION=1
+AUDIOTYPE=Compilations
+ARTISTSORT=Various Artists

This is so compilations are sorted together (by date, album essentially)

With the compilations, everything is already exactly as it should be. I am already very happy with that.

(08-07-2022 20:43)simbun Wrote:  I don't really understand your objection to an index that you don't have to select from. Aren't you ever going to want to filter on Radio Plays or Podcasts by artist xyz?

Yes, that is exactly what I want and what is not possible at the moment:
To filter Radio Plays or Podcasts by Artist.
With the current configuration I can only filter them by decade and year, or under Christmas only by artist, decade or year and which of them are compilations.

(08-07-2022 22:44)simbun Wrote:  The reason you're having to fight this so much to get what you want is because you're storing the main artist in the Artist tag for Music. If you stored it in the AlbumArtist field (which is the standard) you'd then be able to use AlbumArtist in the indexTags instead of Artist and then you'd get the functionality you're looking for because the AlbumArtist index ONLY looks at AlbumArtist.

Make the change in a test environment and have a look. You'll also need to change any reference from Artist to AlbumArtist in the other options e.g. Album.sortTags={AlbumArtist, Date, Album}.

This would also mean your Podcasts, Radio Plays e.t.c. would sort by Date, Album (because AlbumArtist would be blank for them).

OK, I'll have to test that, but it will take some time to correct the tags of all the files.
I will report back with the result.

I have already done a short test by changing the Artist to AlbumArtist for two radio plays and changing Artist:Artist to AlbumArtist:Album Artist in the indexTags.

This then displays under "Album Artist" what was previously displayed under "Audio Type Filter".
However, I still cannot filter by Artist when selecting Radio Plays.

Thank you again for your tireless efforts!

[simbun]

(08-07-2022 23:19)Music-Guy Wrote:  I have already done a short test by changing the Artist to AlbumArtist for two radio plays and changing Artist:Artist to AlbumArtist:Album Artist in the indexTags.

This then displays under "Album Artist" what was previously displayed under "Audio Type Filter".
However, I still cannot filter by Artist when selecting Radio Plays.

I didn't tell you to change AlbumArtist for Radio Plays just for your Music albums.

Let's start afresh.

Can you copy Artist to AlbumArtist for your Music albums only. This should result in ALL your Compilations having 'Various Artists' in AlbumArtist and your Music albums should have the value from Artist copied across, all the other categories should be empty.

I've changed your profile to instead use the index AlbumArtist:Interpret.
If you select this before selecting any Audio Filter you'll see all your Music AlbumArtist values, 'Various Artists' coming from your Compilations and '[unknown]' because all your other files don't have a value for AlbumArtist. This value can't be changed and is MinimServer's way of telling you that there is missing information in the index.
After you've selected an AudioFilter the Interpret index will disappear for all but Music Albums.

I've added to indexTags 'All Artists:Track Artists' (rename as you wish).
Selecting this index will list all of the values from Artist (and only the Artist tag, not from AlbumArtist).
Because you've put guest artists in the Title tag for your music files the lists for AlbumArtist and All Artists will be the same for your music files, only re-tagging will help with that.
If you don't want this index just remove it.

I've changed the album sort from 'Album.sortTags={Date,Album}' to 'Album.sortTags={AlbumArtist, Date,Album}' because I know initially that's what you wanted for Music, but because of the complexities of the Artist tag you removed it. Now we're using AlbumArtist all the Music albums will be sorted by AlbumArtist then Date and finally Album but everything else will be sorted by Date then Album, because every other category either doesn't have a value in AlbumArtist or it's all the same e.g. Various Artists.
If you don't want that, just remove 'AlbumArtist, '.

In your tagUpdate.txt I think you'll only now need:

Code:

@GENRE=Podcast
+AUDIOTYPE=Podcasts
@GENRE=Hörbuch
+AUDIOTYPE=Audio Book
@COMPILATION=1
+AUDIOTYPE=Compilations

Plus your other definitions for Radio Plays, Christmas e.t.c.

If there's anything else in your file that you think you need let me know as I've lost where we are with it.

I think that should give you everything you need.


EDIT: Of course, if you think you'll NEVER populate the Artist tag with guest artists, and it will only ever equate to the AlbumArtist, then you probably don't need to make any changes to your tags, just use this profile and remove the AlbumArtist index.
Whilst adding guests artists to the Artist tag will allow you to filter on them too, it also makes the presentation of the album/tracks better as well (my opinion of course).    

[Music-Guy]

It took some time, but in the meantime I was able to make a number of adjustments to further align my music collection with best practices.

Thus, for all music albums, the values from the ARTIST-tag were copied into the ALBUMARTIST-tag.
Compilations, mash-ups and soundtracks have "Various Artists" as the album artist and, as before, no ALBUMARTIST is stored for the audio files podcasts, audio books and radio plays.

In the course of this, the tags of all files were raised to ID3v2.4.

@simbun
I have also tested the new profile you kindly provided with the newly tagged files.

I noticed the following points:

• For titles of different artists, for which no album tag is stored, an album name is generated in the album view according to this pattern (the values of the years of all artists with the same properties lined up in the filter): "19941990198520022007198219211981199320041986 - no album".
• Instead of naming albums by "year - album name", would it also be possible to name them by album name (year)? So instead of e.g. "1975 - Physical Graffiti" -> "Physical Graffiti (1975)"?
• For albums with several discs, the message "No playable items found" is displayed in BubbleUPnP when tapping on "Disc 1". Previously, all titles of the respective disc were displayed there.
• The audio type filter for audio plays can no longer be filtered by artist. Only by album, title, decade and year. With the other audio type filters, filtering by artist is still possible. I could not see any differences between the tags and the titles in the Audio Type Filter Christmas. Also in the tagUpdate.txt the entries for both filters do not differ.
  

Everything else looks pretty perfect

[simoncn]

(12-07-2022 17:13)Music-Guy Wrote:  For titles of different artists, for which no album tag is stored, an album name is generated in the album view according to this pattern (the values of the years of all artists with the same properties lined up in the filter): "19941990198520022007198219211981199320041986 - no album".

This is caused by the tagValue setting Album.default={'no album'}. If you remove this setting, this index entry should say "no album".

Quote:Instead of naming albums by "year - album name", would it also be possible to name them by album name (year)? So instead of e.g. "1975 - Physical Graffiti" -> "Physical Graffiti (1975)"?

For this, change the tagFormat setting:
Album.displayFormat={$Date^^ - ^$album}
to:
Album.displayFormat={$album^$Date^ (^)}

Quote:For albums with several discs, the message "No playable items found" is displayed in BubbleUPnP when tapping on "Disc 1". Previously, all titles of the respective disc were displayed there.

To fix this, remove showExtras = false.

[Music-Guy]

Thank you @simoncn !

It all worked out well.

Now the question remains how I can continue to filter by artist in the audio type filters.
@simbun had said that I should not assign an AlbumArtist in the Radio Plays, for example.
If I assign an album artist, then I can filter by artist in the audio type filters again, but the artists also appear under "Album Artists" (at the top level).
Is there a possibility here?

[simbun]

(12-07-2022 18:39)Music-Guy Wrote:  If I assign an album artist, then I can filter by artist in the audio type filters again, but the artists also appear under "Album Artists" (at the top level).
Is there a possibility here?

The use of the 'Artist' index (different to 'AlbumArtist' and 'All Artists') was causing too many issues (a by product of which was the "19941990198520022007198219211981199320041986 - no album" because we needed to add a default album), so I instead indexed AlbumArtist and Artist.

These indexes work directly off the two tags, so if you want to filter by the tag ARTIST you'd use the 'All Artists' index (which I renamed to 'Track Artists'), and if you wanted to filter by the tag ALBUMARTIST you'd use the AlbumArtist index (which you renamed to 'Interpret').

Are you saying 'Audio Plays' is behaving differently to Podcasts/Audio Books/Christmas e.t.c.? It's my understanding that all of these categories don't have AlbumArtist tags populated but do have Artist tags populated, is that correct?

[Music-Guy]

Thank you for the clarification.

I had removed the "Track Artists" again. But with your explanation, of course it makes sense.
Now everything works as it should.

Many many thanks for your support!!!

I have attached the last status of the configuration here again for completeness.



I have one more general suggestion:
The experience I have gathered so far has shown me that MimimServer is incredibly customisable.

I think many users who test the software do not take the trouble to deal with it in such depth. Especially as the configuration is not quite trivial.

It would therefore perhaps be a good idea if, when the trial licence is activated, a number of other pre-installed presets were unlocked in addition to the "default" profile, between which you then only have to switch.
I think that would make it easier for many newcomers to get started.