Skipping [Disc 1]

[krutsch]

My DLNA collection has a number of multi-disc albums that are arranged as follows:

Some Album (folder name)
01-01 Song 1
01-02 Song 2
...
02-01 Song 1
02-02 Song 2
...

Where the tagged album name for all 01-0N tracks is "Some Album [Disc 1]" and the album name for all 02-0M tracks is "Some Album [Disc 2]".

These are AIFF files that I've verified are playable, using the same renderer and the same network locations, but playing via MPD from the same share. The files are fine.

When I go to load ANY of the albums organized as above, playback skips all of the tracks in Disc 1 and starts playback normally from Disc 2.

It doesn't matter if I am / am not using BubbleUPnPServer and the control point makes no difference (I've tried Kazoo on Mac OS and Bubble on Android - same behavior).

I think this is a recent issue, since my library has been organized as such for some time.

Running MinimServer 0.8.4 update 88, MinimStreamer 0.5.25.

[DavidHB]

How are you setting the Disc Number tags in the problem Albums?

David

[krutsch]

(13-07-2016 13:20)DavidHB Wrote:  How are you setting the Disc Number tags in the problem Albums?

David

I cleared them, completely. That is, there are no disc number tags.

Interestingly, MinimServer *does* group both discs into one album with >> Disc 1 and >> Disc 2 displayed. I am assuming MinimServer is parsing the [Disc X] out of the album name and/or making assumptions based on being in the same folder.

I'm so sick of crap like this... I did this whole separation of discs to accommodate problems with the Bryston software, which cannot read disc numbers correctly and was interleaving disc 1 & 2 tracks based purely on track index.

What's the best thing to do? Do I put disc numbers back into the tags or do I separate [Disc 1] into its own, separate folder (which I would assume would solve the problem).

[DavidHB]

Hmm. Leaving the disc number blank is not something I would ever try. Have you changed the track numbers so that they form a continuous sequence, without duplicates? If not, may I suggest that you try it with a couple of sample albums, to see if that helps?

What kind of issues does the Bryston have with album numbers? Does it expect a particular format - '1/2' rather than just plain '1', for instance?

David

[krutsch]

(14-07-2016 00:28)DavidHB Wrote:  Hmm. Leaving the disc number blank is not something I would ever try. Have you changed the track numbers so that they form a continuous sequence, without duplicates? If not, may I suggest that you try it with a couple of sample albums, to see if that helps?

What kind of issues does the Bryston have with album numbers? Does it expect a particular format - '1/2' rather than just plain '1', for instance?

David

I tried adding back in disc 1 of 2, etc. in the files, but no difference - it skips over the Disc 1 tracks and plays the disc 2.

Sure, I could renumber all of the tracks and re-name the albums (again), but I am reaching a tipping point with DLNA. It's too hard to make this work across my end-points because of differences in what they support.

This most recent behavior is new, however, and I can't help think that something has changed in MinimServer.

Anyway, thanks for your suggestions... I am going to put this away for now.

[simoncn]

(13-07-2016 17:54)krutsch Wrote:  Interestingly, MinimServer *does* group both discs into one album with >> Disc 1 and >> Disc 2 displayed. I am assuming MinimServer is parsing the [Disc X] out of the album name and/or making assumptions based on being in the same folder.

If the DISCNUMBER tag is omitted and the album name is suffixed with [Disc n], MinimServer parses the disc number from the album name.

What is the exact sequence of actions that you use in BubbleUPnP to play the whole album?

When you say the tracks are skipped, are the disc 1 tracks are queued for playing and skipped over by the renderer, or are only the disc 2 tracks queued for playing?

I don't think there are any recent changes in MinimServer that would affect this.

[krutsch]

(15-07-2016 11:36)simoncn Wrote:  If the DISCNUMBER tag is omitted and the album name is suffixed with [Disc n], MinimServer parses the disc number from the album name.

What is the exact sequence of actions that you use in BubbleUPnP to play the whole album?

When you say the tracks are skipped, are the disc 1 tracks are queued for playing and skipped over by the renderer, or are only the disc 2 tracks queued for playing?

For example, playing The Beatles (White Album), I navigate via Album Artist to "The Beatles", tap on the album and observe >> Disc 1 w/ tracks listed below and >> Disc 2 w/ tracks listed below. Then I tap on the play triangle button in the upper right-hand portion of the screen to play the entire album (both discs).

All tracks are added to the playlist (disc 1 & disc 2), Bubble switches to the NOW PLAYING screen and it skips through each track in Disc 1, one at a time, without ever starting playback, with about a second delay between each track. When Bubble skips to the first track in Disc 2 (Birthday), it starts playing back normally from there.

Kazoo behaves exactly the same way on both my iPad and my Mac.

[krutsch]

I spent some time playing around with this.

I changed the album names to REMOVE the [Disc N] suffix from the album name, but added in the Disc 1 of 2, 2 of 2 into the track tags.

Now, MinimServer just shows the entire album as one complete collection of songs with no separation of discs (i.e. seems to ignore the disc N of M tags if the tracks all have the same album name with NO suffix).

Then, I added back-in the [Disc N] suffix, leaving in the disc number tags. This feels odd, as you are really calling each disc by a separate name and if you loaded these in iTunes, you would see two, separate albums.

But, with both the [Disc N] album name suffix and the disc number tags in the tracks, everything works: I can enqueue the whole set and it plays back as expected and I also see the >> Disc N separators in the album listing.

Now... we will see how MPD handles this naming convention, but at least I am back to a working MinimServer, as soon as I re-tag my files ... again.

[DavidHB]

You've probably studied the paragraph on multi-disc albums in this section of the MinimServer User Guide, but it's one of those I find it worthwhile to re-read whenever I'm doing something 'clever' with albums ...

(18-07-2016 02:23)krutsch Wrote:  But, with both the [Disc N] album name suffix and the disc number tags in the tracks, everything works: I can enqueue the whole set and it plays back as expected and I also see the >> Disc N separators in the album listing.

I'm going to chicken out and leave it to Simon to explain on his return why this worked for you and the other arrangement did not. All I can say is that this is the way I have always done things; having spent too much of my life as a bureaucrat, filling in each section of the form as you go along seemed to me to be the natural thing to do ...

(18-07-2016 02:23)krutsch Wrote:  Then, I added back-in the [Disc N] suffix, leaving in the disc number tags. This feels odd, as you are really calling each disc by a separate name and if you loaded these in iTunes, you would see two, separate albums.

I see the point, but it doesn't worry me (I regard iTunes as an abomination in any case). But you could always use the DISCSUBTITLE tag as an alternative to the [Disc N] suffix. That way, your album titles would remain constant for the unmentionable app that needs them that way, but you'd still get lower level containers within Albums when you require them.

David

[krutsch]

^^ Good advice. Thanks.

For what it's worth, my changes helped most albums (that I checked, anyway), but I still found a few that are skipping tracks on the first disc. Again, these playback fine via MPD.

So, I transcoded a few of these from AIFF back to FLAC and that seemed to fix that issue; I am wondering if part of the issue was AIFF tag reading.