Searching for an artist

[DavidHB]

(08-01-2015 16:42)simoncn Wrote:  Isn't it even simpler and quicker to set the MinimServer "default" option (option 2)?

Yes, it is. I wasn't trying to compare the two options, but only to reassure mightyoakbob about the workload that is or may be involved in bulk tag editing.

(08-01-2015 16:42)simoncn Wrote:  This also allows the user to check whether the change produces the desired result in terms of indexing and searching before making any modifications to the files.

And it's a very good feature. Metadata is widely used in image editing for non-destructive manipulation of the original data, but I don't think that this concept has found much application in the audio world. MinimServer is something of a pioneer in this regard.

That said, there may be circumstances in which hard editing of metadata may be the best option. My instinct is that a tag as important and widely used as Artist should be populated if possible. But I have to agree that for mightyoakbob's specific requirement the "default" option provides a quick and elegant solution.

David

[simoncn]

(07-01-2015 18:54)simoncn Wrote:  The fix will be to check that that AlbumArtist is present in either the itemTags or indexTags list and produce a "nice" error message if it isn't.

This fix is now available in MinimServer update 56.

[mightyoakbob]

Sorry, I'm quite confused with this.

I can't get this to work at all and still get the red icon error.
The error now says "Minimserver [] unexpected exception java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBounds Exception :8

I am using MinimServer 0.8.1 update 42. It also says all packages are up to date.
How do I get update 56? Is that from a whole previous generation now?

Thanks,

Bob.

[simoncn]

(06-05-2015 09:01)mightyoakbob Wrote:  Sorry, I'm quite confused with this.

I can't get this to work at all and still get the red icon error.
The error now says "Minimserver [] unexpected exception java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBounds Exception :8

I am using MinimServer 0.8.1 update 42. It also says all packages are up to date.
How do I get update 56? Is that from a whole previous generation now?

Thanks,

Bob.

You need to install MinimServer 0.8.3 and apply the latest update (update 65). You can find instructions for doing this on various platforms on this page.

[mightyoakbob]

Sorry about that.

minimwatch said everything was up to date and Synology NAS didn't say anything. I didn't know I had to spot upgrades myself. My test nas has been upgraded to 0.8.3 update 65.

However, I still can't get passed a red icon failure.

This time it says: "Incorrect tag name 'Albumartist' in option 'Album.default' in property 'tagoptions'.

I also notice that I can no longer copy and paste into the properties window as I could in the previous version.
Makes life a little harder to get text correct.

Thanks

Bob.

[simoncn]

(06-05-2015 12:55)mightyoakbob Wrote:  Sorry about that.

minimwatch said everything was up to date and Synology NAS didn't say anything. I didn't know I had to spot upgrades myself. My test nas has been upgraded to 0.8.3 update 65.

The Synology Package Center should inform you if your MinimServer release version (0.8.1) is down-level. I don't know why you didn't receive this notification.

Quote:However, I still can't get passed a red icon failure.

This time it says: "Incorrect tag name 'Albumartist' in option 'Album.default' in property 'tagoptions'.

What exactly do you have in your tagOptions property?

Quote:I also notice that I can no longer copy and paste into the properties window as I could in the previous version.
Makes life a little harder to get text correct.

Thanks

Bob.

Copying and pasting into the Properties window is working for me. Can you describe in more detail the sequence of copy and paste actions that isn't working?

[mightyoakbob]

Hi Simon,

Thanks for your help.

The Synology package centre has in the past told me that MinimServer needed updating but hadn't done so for ages.

Into tagValue I copied and pasted 'Artist.default={AlbumArtist}' but without the quotes.

The red icon exact error message (took a photo) is:
MinimWatch
MinimServer[Diskstation]: incorrect tag name 'AlbumArtist' in option 'Artist.default' in property 'tagOptions'

In tagOptions I have:
Album.sortTags={Album, Artist}

To be really honest, I can't understand how these options work at all they seem very complicated to me no matter how much reading I do. I assume what's there must be wrong but all I've done is attempt to follow your personal instructions to me.

The copy and paste does work with Cntrl-V but not right button click. Sorry about that.

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Bob.

[simoncn]

(07-05-2015 07:54)mightyoakbob Wrote:  Hi Simon,

Thanks for your help.

The Synology package centre has in the past told me that MinimServer needed updating but hadn't done so for ages.

Into tagValue I copied and pasted 'Artist.default={AlbumArtist}' but without the quotes.

The red icon exact error message (took a photo) is:
MinimWatch
MinimServer[Diskstation]: incorrect tag name 'AlbumArtist' in option 'Artist.default' in property 'tagOptions'

In tagOptions I have:
Album.sortTags={Album, Artist}

To be really honest, I can't understand how these options work at all they seem very complicated to me no matter how much reading I do. I assume what's there must be wrong but all I've done is attempt to follow your personal instructions to me.

The copy and paste does work with Cntrl-V but not right button click. Sorry about that.

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Bob.

Do you have AlbumArtist in either indexTags or itemTags? If not, you need to add it to indexTags (if you want to see an index entry for AlbumArtist) or to itemTags (if you don't want to see this index entry).

Are you doing the copy and paste on Windows or on Mac?

[mightyoakbob]

(07-05-2015 21:15)simoncn Wrote:  Do you have AlbumArtist in either indexTags or itemTags? If not, you need to add it to indexTags (if you want to see an index entry for AlbumArtist) or to itemTags (if you don't want to see this index entry).

I'm sorry, I just don't understand. I have read and re-read the above but I can't understand the second half of the paragraph.

My objective is to get an artist search to return both artist and album artist items, so that one artist search finds everything in my library attributed to that artist.

I don't think I have ever touched indexTags because I have no understanding at all of what any of the tag boxes do and have only entered extra things in them when my understanding is that you have suggested I do that.

What I have now is:

indexTags
=======
Artist, Date, Genre, All Artists, Composer, Conductor, Orchestra

itemTags
=======
<empty>

tagOptions
========
Album.sortTags={Album, Artist}

tagValue
======
<empty>
But I have been trying to enter Artist.default={AlbumArtist} in this tag box which is what I thought you wanted me to do but when I do this it always errors.

I'm sorry to be so much trouble, could you just tell me what you want in each of the boxes for this to work. If a tag box is empty and you tell me to add something that's OK but if it already has content I don't know what to do.

(07-05-2015 21:15)simoncn Wrote:  Are you doing the copy and paste on Windows or on Mac?

I am using a Windows7 Pro machine.

Thank you.

Bob.

[DavidHB]

(08-05-2015 07:48)mightyoakbob Wrote:  I don't think I have ever touched indexTags because I have no understanding at all of what any of the tag boxes do and have only entered extra things in them when my understanding is that you have suggested I do that.

Actually, it's dead easy. Honest.

An index is just a sorted list of all the values in the various files for a particular Tab. So when we say that Artist is indexed, we mean that there is a sorted list of all the Artist entries, and you can use that list to look up the artist whose files you want to find. MinimServer needs to be told what tags you want to use in this way, and so has the indexTags property, where you list all the tags that you want to use when you are browsing. The list of your indexed tags (plus such things as [folder view]) is what you see when you are browsing your music collection in your Control Point.

The itemTags property is a list of tags that you don't want to be indexed (because you are not using them for lookup), but which are referenced in some way in the MinimServer properties, so that MinimServer needs to be told to keep track of them as well.

Apart from some special exceptions that don't concern us here, MinimServer ignores any tags that do not appear in either indexTags or itemTags. If your properties refer to a tag that is not listed in either of them, MinimServer will throw up an error, which is what has been happening in your case. So, if you want to refer to a tag in, for example, your tagFormat property, that tag must be listed in either indexTags or itemTags (but, of course, not both).

(08-05-2015 07:48)mightyoakbob Wrote:  What I have now is:

indexTags
=======
Artist, Date, Genre, All Artists, Composer, Conductor, Orchestra

itemTags
=======
<empty>

tagOptions
========
Album.sortTags={Album, Artist}

tagValue
======
<empty>
But I have been trying to enter Artist.default={AlbumArtist} in this tag box which is what I thought you wanted me to do but when I do this it always errors.

That's because you don't have AlbumArtist in either indexTags or itemTags, and it needs to be in one or the other, so that MinimServer knows to look it up for the Artist.default. Just insert 'AlbumArtist, ' (without the quotes) after 'All Artists, ' in your indexTags entry. Does that work?

David