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simoncn · 08-12-2014, 01:27

(07-12-2014 23:58)Leon di San Marco Wrote: Hi!
I also have a problem with the Group Tag. It simply doesn't show. What do I have to do? I use Audirvana Plus to tag my files and there it's called "Grouping".
Thanks!
Marco

"Grouping" maps to CONTENTGROUP, which isn't the same as GROUP. Is there any facility in Audirvana Plus to add custom tag names?

If you can't use custom tag names and you want MinimServer to map "Grouping" to GROUP instead of mapping it to CONTENTGROUP, you can set the aliasTags property to:

ContentGroup:Group

This will cause MinimServer to treat all CONTENTGROUP tags as if they were GROUP tags.

Leon di San Marco · 09-12-2014, 07:52

Thank you Simon!
Audirvana, as far as I know, doesn't give the possibility to add custom names. So I tried with aliasTags and I wrote "ContentGroup:Group" the way you did, without spaces and it didn't work Huh

Anyway, Metadatics also calls it "Grouping". Are we sure we're talking about the same thing? Wink

By "grouping" I mean the tag which shows the name of a Symphony, a Concerto and that contains more tracks (example: Grouping=Symphony No.1 Op.21; Tracks 1=1.Allegro con brio;Track 2=2.Adagio and so on).

simoncn · 09-12-2014, 09:49

(09-12-2014 07:52)Leon di San Marco Wrote: Thank you Simon!
Audirvana, as far as I know, doesn't give the possibility to add custom names. So I tried with aliasTags and I wrote "ContentGroup:Group" the way you did, without spaces and it didn't work
Anyway, Metadatics also calls it "Grouping". Are we sure we're talking about the same thing? By "grouping" I mean the tag which shows the name of a Symphony, a Concerto and that contains more tracks (example: Grouping=Symphony No.1 Op.21; Tracks 1=1.Allegro con brio;Track 2=2.Adagio and so on).

I am talking about the iTunes tag named Grouping that is embedded in a .m4a file with the identifier ©grp and is mapped by MinimServer to the CONTENTGROUP tag when MinimServer reads the .m4a file.

It sounds like you are talking about a different Grouping tag and I'm not familiar with this other tag.

When you use the GROUP tag in MinimServer, you need to tag all tracks that belong to the group with a tag like:

GROUP=Symphony No.1 Op.21

The names of the tracks should not be included in this GROUP tag.

Leon di San Marco · 10-12-2014, 06:55

I checked it out: the iTunes tag named "Grouping" is the same as the other ones named the same in Audirvana and Metadatics (I tagged an album with Audirvana and both iTunes and Metadatics recognized the Grouping infos). Now, why doesn't the strategy "ContentGroup:Group" work?

Pastim · 10-12-2014, 11:59

(10-12-2014 06:55)Leon di San Marco Wrote: I checked it out: the iTunes tag named "Grouping" is the same as the other ones named the same in Audirvana and Metadatics (I tagged an album with Audirvana and both iTunes and Metadatics recognized the Grouping infos). Now, why doesn't the strategy "ContentGroup:Group" work?

Just in case there's any confusion here, the minimserver GROUP tag is not quite like other tags. As I understand it, it is, for instance, not explicitly visible in the tag indexes. It is, in effect, an invisible tag that groups tracks together, so that when you select something that consist of tracks that are all in the GROUP they show as one item rather than many.

If you want to see your own tags, include them in the indexTags property and they will then appear in the selection index.

simoncn · 10-12-2014, 12:09

(10-12-2014 06:55)Leon di San Marco Wrote: I checked it out: the iTunes tag named "Grouping" is the same as the other ones named the same in Audirvana and Metadatics (I tagged an album with Audirvana and both iTunes and Metadatics recognized the Grouping infos). Now, why doesn't the strategy "ContentGroup:Group" work?

I will try this myself and let you know what I find.

simoncn · (This post was last modified: 10-12-2014 12:17 by simoncn.)

(10-12-2014 06:55)Leon di San Marco Wrote: I checked it out: the iTunes tag named "Grouping" is the same as the other ones named the same in Audirvana and Metadatics (I tagged an album with Audirvana and both iTunes and Metadatics recognized the Grouping infos). Now, why doesn't the strategy "ContentGroup:Group" work?

I have tried this and it is working for me. I tagged five movements of a Mass in iTunes with the same Grouping value and I set aliasTags to ContentGroup:Group. When I viewed my iTunes library in MinimServer, the movements of this Mass were grouped into a single item within the containing album.

Pastim · 10-12-2014, 12:46

(10-12-2014 12:17)simoncn Wrote:
(10-12-2014 06:55)Leon di San Marco Wrote: I checked it out: the iTunes tag named "Grouping" is the same as the other ones named the same in Audirvana and Metadatics (I tagged an album with Audirvana and both iTunes and Metadatics recognized the Grouping infos). Now, why doesn't the strategy "ContentGroup:Group" work?

I have tried this and it is working for me. I tagged five movements of a Mass in iTunes with the same Grouping value and I set aliasTags to ContentGroup:Group. When I viewed my iTunes library in MinimServer, the movements of this Mass were grouped into a single item within the containing album.

And if you want to see this explicitly in the index, include the Group tag in the indexTags (I should have though of that ages ago ....)

Leon di San Marco · 11-12-2014, 07:31

Sorry guys, I don't get it Sad

I set AliasTag to "ContentGroup:Group" and included the Group tag in the IndexTag but it still doesn't work. I tried it with a Bartók album. I should see the tracks grouped in two main titles: "Concerto for Orchestra" (5 tracks) and "Music for Strings, Celesta & Percussion" (4 tracks). Instead I still see the 9 tracks as they were before.
I also added "Period" and "Style" in the IndexTag but they don't show up in the index. I use at the moment the connect free app/player and I don't see there any Group (neither in the index nor in the album view when I choose an album) or Period or Style tags. What do I do wrong?
Though I thank you very much for your help…this forum is really good and you answer even faster than I can read Smile

simoncn · 11-12-2014, 08:03

(11-12-2014 07:31)Leon di San Marco Wrote: Sorry guys, I don't get it I set AliasTag to "ContentGroup:Group" and included the Group tag in the IndexTag but it still doesn't work. I tried it with a Bartók album. I should see the tracks grouped in two main titles: "Concerto for Orchestra" (5 tracks) and "Music for Strings, Celesta & Percussion" (4 tracks). Instead I still see the 9 tracks as they were before.
I also added "Period" and "Style" in the IndexTag but they don't show up in the index. I use at the moment the connect free app/player and I don't see there any Group (neither in the index nor in the album view when I choose an album) or Period or Style tags. What do I do wrong?
Though I thank you very much for your help…this forum is really good and you answer even faster than I can read

Did you restart MinimServer after making these changes to the aliasTags and indexTags properties?

Have you checked the MinimServer log for any warning or error messages?

You can use the writeAllTags property to produce a list of all the tags that MinimServer finds in your files. See this section for details.