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Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - mightyoakbob - 21-07-2024 17:41

From "folder view"..
By default you get a list of tracks with a small identical image on the left in every line but no track number and no disc information. I much prefer the tag view which shows track number, disc info and just one image at the top of screen.

You can get from 'standard view' to 'tag view' but it's a slog of 3 taps; click tag view, then the album title again, then the album title yet again and then at last you get the better display.

Now it is slightly less painful from "All Artist" view;
Tap complete album, Album title and you're there but it's still a process.

For me, I cannot see any advantage of the default display. Is there any way I can get Folder view to use the much more informative tag view by default?

Same question about the "all artists" view which I'm not keen on especially as I found out last week that even if an album artist is set to say "Madonna" and Madonna is one of two artists in the artist tag, the track is not displayed. That seems very strange to me.

Thanks.
Bob.

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - simbun - 21-07-2024 18:18

(21-07-2024 17:41)mightyoakbob Wrote:  Same question about the "all artists" view which I'm not keen on especially as I found out last week that even if an album artist is set to say "Madonna" and Madonna is one of two artists in the artist tag, the track is not displayed. That seems very strange to me.

Did you see the replies to your previous post about this issue?

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - mightyoakbob - 21-07-2024 18:28

(21-07-2024 18:18)simbun Wrote:  
(21-07-2024 17:41)mightyoakbob Wrote:  Same question about the "all artists" view which I'm not keen on especially as I found out last week that even if an album artist is set to say "Madonna" and Madonna is one of two artists in the artist tag, the track is not displayed. That seems very strange to me.

Did you see the replies to your previous post about this issue?

I have now, thank you, so that aspect can be fixed by me but what about the default display?
Bob.

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - mightyoakbob - 21-07-2024 19:30

(21-07-2024 18:28)mightyoakbob Wrote:  I have now, thank you, so that aspect can be fixed by me but what about the default display?
Bob.

Well that's what I thought anyway. But I've been trying to get this to work for the last 45 minutes and for me it will not. How hard can it be, put the semi-colon in so the tag is.. "Madonna; Lil Wayne" then re-index and - no difference. Still not displaying that track. I've repeated the operation several times but it's not having any of it.

What don't I know?

Bob.

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - simbun - 21-07-2024 19:52

(21-07-2024 19:30)mightyoakbob Wrote:  Well that's what I thought anyway. But I've been trying to get this to work for the last 45 minutes and for me it will not. How hard can it be, put the semi-colon in so the tag is.. "Madonna; Lil Wayne" then re-index and - no difference. Still not displaying that track. I've repeated the operation several times but it's not having any of it.
Previously "Madonna Lil Wayne" would have appeared in the All Artists index, is it still there? If it's been correctly changed and indexed you should now only see the individual artists, assuming it was the only artist tag at fault.

Did you make the change in dBpoweramp, as I don't know the delimiter than Tag&Rename uses.

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - mightyoakbob - 21-07-2024 21:18

(21-07-2024 19:52)simbun Wrote:  Previously "Madonna Lil Wayne" would have appeared in the All Artists index, is it still there? If it's been correctly changed and indexed you should now only see the individual artists, assuming it was the only artist tag at fault.

Did you make the change in dBpoweramp, as I don't know the delimiter than Tag&Rename uses.

In 'all artists' I now have:
Madonna; Lil Wayne
Madonna;Lil Wayne (intentional test with a space)
Madonna;test

I did do the change in Tag&rename but I have written my own tag reader for flac and it shows the following.

File offset &2A
04 VORBIS_COMMENT block size= 0.7K (707 Bytes).
reference libFLAC 1.2.1 20070917
Tags = 24
AccurateRipResult=AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 9) [9EAB937C]
AccurateRipDiscID=018-00352189-02bf9b18-1212ae12-18
<snip>
Encoded By=dBpoweramp Release 14.3
Encoder=(FLAC 1.2.1)
Encoder Settings=-compression-level-5 -verify
TITLE=Revolver
ARTIST=Madonna; Lil Wayne
ALBUM=Celebration
DATE=2009 09 04
<snip>
ALBUM ARTIST=Madonna
ALBUMARTIST=Madonna
ORGANIZATION=Warner Bros.

File offset &2F1

I've also looked at the track from dBpoweramp and it too shows the semicolon.

Thanks.
Bob.

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - simbun - 21-07-2024 21:45

(21-07-2024 21:18)mightyoakbob Wrote:  In 'all artists' I now have:
Madonna; Lil Wayne
Madonna;Lil Wayne (intentional test with a space)
Madonna;test

I did do the change in Tag&rename but I have written my own tag reader for flac and it shows the following.
If you're seeing those values in the MinimServer All Artists index then they're still not being stored correctly. Tag&Rename must be using a different character to enable its users to generate multi-value tags.

If you have Powershell v7 installed run the following against one of your files:
Code:
Format-Hex -Path 01.01.flac -Count 1024
In WSL `hexdump -C --length 1024 01.01.flac`

You should see something like:
Code:
00000000000002B0 35 38 33 37 35 36 11 00 00 00 41 52 54 49 53 54 583756�   ARTIST
00000000000002C0 3D 45 6C 74 6F 6E 20 4A 6F 68 6E 0F 00 00 00 41 =Elton John�   A
00000000000002D0 52 54 49 53 54 3D 44 75 61 20 4C 69 70 61 16 00 RTIST=Dua Lipa�

Showing that there are two ARTIST fields (this is how FLAC stores multi-value tags).

Alternatively the 'Extended Tags' panel in Mp3tag or TagInspector in MusicBee will also show if they're being correctly stored as separate artists (you shouldn't see the semicolon).

EDIT: If you want to work out which character Tag&Rename uses to allow the writing of multi-value tags, make the change in dBpoweramp and open the resulting file in Tag&Rename. Given the above files already have semicolons, pick a different file and enter "Artist1; Artist2".

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - simoncn - 21-07-2024 22:24

(21-07-2024 17:41)mightyoakbob Wrote:  For me, I cannot see any advantage of the default display. Is there any way I can get Folder view to use the much more informative tag view by default?

The default display for MinimServer is tag view. This shows your library as albums and tracks (the view you prefer). By selecting folder view, you are choosing not to use the default display but to show your library as folders and files, similar to what you would see in Windows Explorer or Mac Finder.

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - mightyoakbob - 22-07-2024 10:22

(21-07-2024 21:45)simbun Wrote:  If you're seeing those values in the MinimServer All Artists index then they're still not being stored correctly. Tag&Rename must be using a different character to enable its users to generate multi-value tags.

You should see something like:
Code:
00000000000002B0 35 38 33 37 35 36 11 00 00 00 41 52 54 49 53 54 583756�   ARTIST
00000000000002C0 3D 45 6C 74 6F 6E 20 4A 6F 68 6E 0F 00 00 00 41 =Elton John�   A
00000000000002D0 52 54 49 53 54 3D 44 75 61 20 4C 69 70 61 16 00 RTIST=Dua Lipa�
I can and do easily hexdump the tags section of flac files, just not with the same tool.

(21-07-2024 21:45)simbun Wrote:  Showing that there are two ARTIST fields (this is how FLAC stores multi-value tags).
I didn't know that. 14 or so years doing this and I didn't know that.
So the semicolon is an indicator to the flac tag compiler it's not data as such.

I've done some experiments. I tried using artist1;artist2 in dBpoweramp. It didn't produce two artist= entries it just produced the semicolon same as I typed in.
Then I tried adding a space so artists1; artist2. That worked ! Two artists entries. So it needs semicolon<space>.

So back to Tag&Rename which has to be said is by far the easiest and most visual of the tag editors I've seen. It shows up the double entry artist tag as artist1/artist2. So I tried both artist1/artist2 and artists1/ artist2 to attempt a write. Unfortunately, neither resulted in duel artist tags. Hmmm. So it looks like it can read but not write that type of data. Disappointing to say the least.

(21-07-2024 21:45)simbun Wrote:  EDIT: If you want to work out which character Tag&Rename uses to allow the writing of multi-value tags, make the change in dBpoweramp and open the resulting file in Tag&Rename. Given the above files already have semicolons, pick a different file and enter "Artist1; Artist2".
See above. Thanks.
Bob.

RE: Changing the default display (iPad Kazoo) - stefano_mbp - 22-07-2024 10:32

The separator is an editor thing.
Different editors use different separators, for example:
- MP3tag use //
- Yate (2manyrobots) use ;;;
both without spaces
In the editor configuration it should be possible to edit the separator