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RE: Network Dropouts - NWTStuff - 07-08-2014 16:26
(07-08-2014 09:17)simoncn Wrote: Your lifecycle of MinimServer is exactly correctbut it is missing a very important part:
.... >> Issue >> Get user feedback >> Reflect >> Rethink >> Rework >> Reissue >> ....
Seems like you are very successful in getting user Feedback. There is so much information in this forum. No idea how you would even start to get on top of it
Glad to hear that you are not applying the most common approach in Software Engineering these days :-
cut >> paste > issue
RE: Network Dropouts - simoncn - 07-08-2014 18:03
(07-08-2014 16:26)NWTStuff Wrote: Seems like you are very successful in getting user Feedback. There is so much information in this forum. No idea how you would even start to get on top of it
I sometimes use Google when I want to find something from a few months ago. It's better than the Search box provided by the forum.
RE: Network Dropouts - Linn_agnostik - 27-08-2014 10:47
(29-07-2014 07:12)Mike48 Wrote: More follow up: after changing flac:wav24 to flac:wav and listening to various resolution files intermixed, the clicking began again. I changed it back to flac24, rebooted the MiND, restarted MinimServer, and the clicks went away. I listened for over an hour with no clicks. This leads me to believe that varying bit depths from track to track may have a negative effect on the MiND. I'd need to repeat this several times to know for sure, and I'm not that curious at this point -- I'd rather just listen to music.
Last year I did an extensive audition of the following streamers in my home environment:
* Aurender S10 (not a streamer per se)
* PS Audio PWD
* Naim NDX
* Naim ND5xs
* Linn Akurate DS
* Logitech touch
* Moon Mind
Of all the streamers, the least reliable (by far) was the Moon Mind. Never got it to work correctly for more than a few hours..
YMMV of course.. just my 2c.
It felt like an alpha product, abandoned by development.
The PS Audio PWD couldn't do gapless - a joke..
RE: Network Dropouts - Mike48 - 27-08-2014 16:34
L_A: Thanks for your comment. There is a lot of bad engineering in the streamer category. Not to say there aren't some good products, but the proportion of bad ones put out by respected companies is dismaying.
I solved the clicks in my system by trading the MiND for an Auralic Aries. All clicks are entirely gone, AND pause and seek now work reliably.
I'll write a brief review of the Aries after its Android control software is released. The dealer really didn't want to sell it to me before that, because it does more with its own software than a standard UPnP control point. It uses the OpenHome model, like Linn.
RE: Network Dropouts - Andre Gosselin - 28-08-2014 15:02
(27-08-2014 10:47)Linn_agnostik Wrote: Last year I did an extensive audition of the following streamers in my home environment:Sorrry to read about your bad impression with the Mind renderer, but by mileage does considerably vary with yours. I have used one (both as a standalone unit and as an embedded module inside a Moon Neo 380D) extensively for more than a year now, the unit being on all the time. Never experienced any problem with it, at all sampling bit widths and frequencies combinations (up to 24/192). I found it to be a very reliable device, certainly not an alpha product abandonned by development, as you say. Compared to other renderers I tried, among which Naim Uniti, Cambridge StreamMagic and SonOS, the Mind is a top-notch product.
* Aurender S10 (not a streamer per se)
* PS Audio PWD
* Naim NDX
* Naim ND5xs
* Linn Akurate DS
* Logitech touch
* Moon Mind
Of all the streamers, the least reliable (by far) was the Moon Mind. Never got it to work correctly for more than a few hours..
YMMV of course.. just my 2c.
It felt like an alpha product, abandoned by development.
The PS Audio PWD couldn't do gapless - a joke..
RE: Network Dropouts (the MiND) - Mike48 - 28-08-2014 18:13
My experience of the MiND was between those of LA and AG. It worked well with my PS Audio PWD-II at resolutions up to 192/24. However, after years of promises, Simaudio apparently gave up on offering Android control software, which means that users not in the Apple ecosystem must buy an iOS device to have a supported configuration. When used with generic UPnP control software, the MiND did not support pause/resume and seeking within a track, at least with WAV files, which sound best (by far) to me in my setup. I did get those functions to work occasionally when streaming FLAC files without transcoding.
When I changed my DAC to an Auralic Vega, the MiND did not work well, as noted in the first post of this series. In stream receivers, the Auralic Aries proved a far better match. The Aries does support pause/resume/seek on WAV files from MinimStreamer.
So though I didn't think the MiND was an alpha product, I was disappointed badly by Simaudio's lack of follow-through on a promised feature and unwillingness to even test their product with an Android control point. This was annoyingly reminiscent of PS Audio's flailing around with the gapless issue! When I'm paying specialty-audio prices, I expect that good support should be included.
I think the MiND might be a good choice for someone using a Simaudio DAC. If pause/resume/seek works with FLAC files when using Simaudio's own app (iOS only!), this would be a good combination. Certainly, I found no problems with sound quality.
I should note, I used wired Ethernet only.
RE: Network Dropouts - Andre Gosselin - 28-08-2014 19:43
(28-08-2014 18:13)Mike48 Wrote: My experience of the MiND was between those of LA and AG. It worked well with my PS Audio PWD-II at resolutions up to 192/24. However, after years of promises, Simaudio apparently gave up on offering Android control software, which means that users not in the Apple ecosystem must buy an iOS device to have a supported configuration. When used with generic UPnP control software, the MiND did not support pause/resume and seeking within a track, at least with WAV files, which sound best (by far) to me in my setup. I did get those functions to work occasionally when streaming FLAC files without transcoding.I agree with you that pause/resume/seek/volume control do not work on the Mind if using an independent UPnP control point like BubbleUPnP or Lumin (in that last case, with the Mind proxied as an OpenHome renderer through BubbleUPnP server). To get those functionnalities, you must use Simaudio own app, which is (so far) only available on Apple IOS. I agree also that SimAudio has kept promising an android app for more than a year, and that this app is not available yet. I have personnaly sort of given up on that promise. I have learned to live with those limitations, finding that they are not (for me) that much important.
When I changed my DAC to an Auralic Vega, the MiND did not work well, as noted in the first post of this series. In stream receivers, the Auralic Aries proved a far better match. The Aries does support pause/resume/seek on WAV files from MinimStreamer.
So though I didn't think the MiND was an alpha product, I was disappointed badly by Simaudio's lack of follow-through on a promised feature and unwillingness to even test their product with an Android control point. This was annoyingly reminiscent of PS Audio's flailing around with the gapless issue! When I'm paying specialty-audio prices, I expect that good support should be included.
I think the MiND might be a good choice for someone using a Simaudio DAC. If pause/resume/seek works with FLAC files when using Simaudio's own app (iOS only!), this would be a good combination. Certainly, I found no problems with sound quality.
I should note, I used wired Ethernet only.
I never tried mixing the Mind with a non Simaudio DAC, so I cannot comment on that.
I am happy to hear that sound quality was no problem for you. I was mostly concerned about sound quality when I qualified the Mind as top-notch. Given the problems about the software/firmware limitations mentioned above, I should have qualified my reply a bit.
Regards,
RE: Network Dropouts - Linn_agnostik - 28-08-2014 20:42
(27-08-2014 16:34)Mike48 Wrote: L_A: Thanks for your comment. There is a lot of bad engineering in the streamer category. Not to say there aren't some good products, but the proportion of bad ones put out by respected companies is dismaying.
I solved the clicks in my system by trading the MiND for an Auralic Aries. All clicks are entirely gone, AND pause and seek now work reliably.
I'll write a brief review of the Aries after its Android control software is released.
I'd be very much interested in the Aries review, I think it has got the potential to be a very nice product..
I am particularly interested in its capabilities to output digital through aes/ebu or usb.. do you still have the pwd dac?
If so, have you tried elaborating with the different inputs, to see which sounds best?
RE: Network Dropouts - Mike48 - 28-08-2014 20:50
(28-08-2014 20:42)Linn_agnostik Wrote: I'd be very much interested in the Aries review, I think it has got the potential to be a very nice product..
I am particularly interested in its capabilities to output digital through aes/ebu or usb.. do you still have the pwd dac?
If so, have you tried elaborating with the different inputs, to see which sounds best?
The PWD-II is sold. Auralic recommends the USB link, so I'm using that to the Vega.
I'll write the review this fall, assuming Auralic follows through on the Android app.
RE: Network Dropouts - lmitche - 21-03-2015 18:13
(28-08-2014 20:50)Mike48 Wrote:(28-08-2014 20:42)Linn_agnostik Wrote: I'd be very much interested in the Aries review, I think it has got the potential to be a very nice product..
I am particularly interested in its capabilities to output digital through aes/ebu or usb.. do you still have the pwd dac?
If so, have you tried elaborating with the different inputs, to see which sounds best?
The PWD-II is sold. Auralic recommends the USB link, so I'm using that to the Vega.
I'll write the review this fall, assuming Auralic follows through on the Android app.
I am curious, has anyone solved the Auralic Vega dropout problems? I have the same issue here in EXACT mode using the USB input and running with Minimserver. I am slowly getting a handle on it, but would like to hear what others have learned.