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Automatic Jukebox?
03-03-2013, 11:09
Post: #11
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
(03-03-2013 10:23)uk75 Wrote:  Ok, close this thread. You just don't get it.

I *do* want to use the remote control plus my linn's front display to browse my favorite music sometimes. If you haven't tested and understood that feature, fine, but just don't argue with me then. Dodgy If minim does only the serving, why on earth does it provide a menu structure for the control points? I was simply asking to optionally create that menu structure so it could be accessed with the remote.

The menu structure is available to any UPnP control point to use in whatever way it wishes. To do what you want, you need a UPnP control point that can read the menu structure and make it available to the Linn remote.
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03-03-2013, 13:52
Post: #12
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
(03-03-2013 11:09)simoncn Wrote:  The menu structure is available to any UPnP control point to use in whatever way it wishes. To do what you want, you need a UPnP control point that can read the menu structure and make it available to the Linn remote.

To clarify what I mean by a UPnP control point: this is any piece of software that communicates with a UPnP server using the UPnP protocol. It doesn't need to have a visual UI or be running on an handheld device such as an iPad. It could be running as another process on the same NAS device as MinimServer.
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04-03-2013, 14:26 (This post was last modified: 04-03-2013 14:46 by uk75.)
Post: #13
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
(03-03-2013 11:09)simoncn Wrote:  To do what you want, you need a UPnP control point that can read the menu structure and make it available to the Linn remote.

No, I don't. Any Linn DS can read a folder structure from a URL (say, http://mynas/music/presets) and allow you to browse the contents from that folder, given they are in a linn-specific format, using just the remote that came with it. No magic. No control point. Just the remote.

"The jukebox service provides a means of loading stored presets (playlists with numerical names) into your Linn DS device from a known http location, bypassing any media server application. "

On this screen, you can see (in the middle) how the library might be organized. Say, you start with a "New" Bookmark, that one holds all recently added music (30 days or so). Next on, a bookmark with "Artist/Album" or whatever you like. All this is then accessible with the remote that came with the Linn. Either by knowing the # of the playlist you want to play (I write playlist as this is what it is, see here), or by browsing the structure - Bookmark, Entry, Select entry - boom. Or Bookmark, use numerical keys to jump to a specific letter, select, boom.

But it is a pain to update the catalog on a regular basis. That is why I thought it would be nice to have minim update the entries in the background.
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04-03-2013, 15:40
Post: #14
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
(04-03-2013 14:26)uk75 Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 11:09)simoncn Wrote:  To do what you want, you need a UPnP control point that can read the menu structure and make it available to the Linn remote.

No, I don't. Any Linn DS can read a folder structure from a URL (say, http://mynas/music/presets) and allow you to browse the contents from that folder, given they are in a linn-specific format, using just the remote that came with it. No magic. No control point. Just the remote.

"The jukebox service provides a means of loading stored presets (playlists with numerical names) into your Linn DS device from a known http location, bypassing any media server application. "

MinimServer doesn't support HTTP folder browsing. The HTTP URLs that MinimServer provides are persistent references to individual tracks for use by a music renderer. I think this is probably the reason why you can't use MinimServer with the jukebox service.

Quote:On this screen, you can see (in the middle) how the library might be organized. Say, you start with a "New" Bookmark, that one holds all recently added music (30 days or so). Next on, a bookmark with "Artist/Album" or whatever you like. All this is then accessible with the remote that came with the Linn. Either by knowing the # of the playlist you want to play (I write playlist as this is what it is, see here), or by browsing the structure - Bookmark, Entry, Select entry - boom. Or Bookmark, use numerical keys to jump to a specific letter, select, boom.

But it is a pain to update the catalog on a regular basis. That is why I thought it would be nice to have minim update the entries in the background.

By "update the entries in the background", do you mean that the HTTP server would change the contents of an HTTP folder that has previously been loaded into the jukebox service? The resources that MinimServer exposes as URLs are intended to be persistent, so are never updated.
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05-03-2013, 12:44
Post: #15
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
All I'm dreaming of: have Minimserver create those .dbl files for the linn ds and store them in a folder on the NAS.

Minim doesn't need to do any http extension. It only needs to write the dbl files (see above for an example) to a folder on the NAS, and the user must make sure that folder is accessible via http from the linn (explained in their manual for a qnap, i set it up on a synology 211+).

The DBLs should contain reasonable playlists, e.g. one album per artist. It's a one-time affair (unless you add music, that is). Minim creates the dbls once (at startup / restart), and the linn will read the folder content once (upon startup). It's a static affair from then: files containing playlists that are made up of static links.
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05-03-2013, 13:45
Post: #16
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
(05-03-2013 12:44)uk75 Wrote:  All I'm dreaming of: have Minimserver create those .dbl files for the linn ds and store them in a folder on the NAS.

Minim doesn't need to do any http extension. It only needs to write the dbl files (see above for an example) to a folder on the NAS, and the user must make sure that folder is accessible via http from the linn (explained in their manual for a qnap, i set it up on a synology 211+).

The DBLs should contain reasonable playlists, e.g. one album per artist. It's a one-time affair (unless you add music, that is). Minim creates the dbls once (at startup / restart), and the linn will read the folder content once (upon startup). It's a static affair from then: files containing playlists that are made up of static links.

Thanks for explaining this. I understand what would be needed, but I still don't think this is something that should be part of MinimServer. A better approach would be for someone to write some simple UPnP client software that can browse the MinimServer container structure and automatically create some "reasonable" .dpl playlists. All the information needed to do this is available using the UPnP protocol.
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08-04-2013, 13:47 (This post was last modified: 08-04-2013 13:49 by uk75.)
Post: #17
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(05-03-2013 13:45)simoncn Wrote:  Thanks for explaining this. I understand what would be needed, but I still don't think this is something that should be part of MinimServer. A better approach would be for someone to write some simple UPnP client software that can browse the MinimServer container structure and automatically create some "reasonable" .dpl playlists. All the information needed to do this is available using the UPnP protocol.
I still think this would be much more useful to have in minim, as it would run in the background.
In another thread, I found users wishing for a way to see their latest albums / tracks. You could add this to minim's Jukebox as well. I know, the Jukebox feature is Linn-specific, but as you, Simon, and the other thread opener also use a Linn streamer, having a list that always contained the last 100 or so albums, and this in a perfectly accessible format (via the simple remote, no app, no control point needed) would be really neat.
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16-09-2014, 14:19
Post: #18
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
By the way, Linn updated their program (Windows client) after quite some time..:
http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/DownloadKinskyJukebox
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21-01-2015, 14:56
Post: #19
RE: Automatic Jukebox?
http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=13217
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