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MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
03-08-2017, 15:11 (This post was last modified: 03-08-2017 23:26 by Alandbush.)
Post: #21
RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
(03-08-2017 01:58)steve1977 Wrote:  I am seeing this from MiniM:

<upnp:artist role="AlbumArtist">2Pac feat. Dr. Dre</upnp:artist>
<upnp:artist>2Pac/Jewell/Outlawz/Storm</upnp:artist>

However, I'd like to see:

<upnp:artist role="AlbumArtist">2Pac feat. Dr. Dre</upnp:artist>
<upnp:artist>2Pac</upnp:artist>
<upnp:artist>Jewell</upnp:artist>
<upnp:artist>Outlawz</upnp:artist>
<upnp:artist>Storm</upnp:artist>

Hmm, I only have a few MP3 albums with multi artists but they are treated differently to your description above.

FWIW

ID3v2.3 Tags as seen by DBpoweramp:
Artist Alexandra Burke feat. Flo Rida
ArtistSort Burke, Alexandra feat. Flo Rida
Artists Alexandra Burke; Flo Rida

Extract from minimserver.log
main: adding file tag ARTIST=Alexandra Burke feat. Flo Rida
main: adding file tag ARTISTSORT=Burke, Alexandra feat. Flo Rida
main: adding file tag ARTISTS=Alexandra Burke
main: adding file tag ARTISTS=Flo Rida

<upnp:artist>Alexandra Burke, Flo Rida</upnp:artist>
<dc:creator>Alexandra Burke, Flo Rida</dc:creator>

Kinsky Control point
Artist index contains entries for both Alexandra Burke and Flo Rida
All Artists index contains entries for both Alexandra Burke and Flo Rida
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03-08-2017, 17:00
Post: #22
RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
Thanks for your help. I know Picard has some issues with M4A for artists and albumartists. Does Jaikoz support it? Also, does Jaikoz allow to retag 50,000 songs in one go. I tried with Picard, but it is a huge pain and not really designed to do so.

I will get you the XML info later. Some info below:

Picard info: MP3 are tagged as ID3.v23. M4a does not provide such info in Picard.

Below example from one MP3 and M4A files. Please note that Picard and DBPoweramp see the files slightly different. Also, please note the different capitalizations:

01 California Love (short radio edit.m4a
DBPoweramp
Artist: 2Pac feat. Dr. Dre
ARTISTS: 2Pac
Album Artist: 2Pac feat. Dr. Dre
Albumartists: [does not show]
Picard
Artist: 2Pac feat. Dr. Dre
Artists: 2Pac; Dr. Dre
Albumartist: 2Pac feat. Dr. Dre
Albumartists: [does not show]

01 Letter to the President.mp3
DBPoweramp
Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
Artists: 2Pac / Outlawz
Album Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
albumartists: 2Pac / Outlawz
Picard
Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
Artists: 2Pac / Outlawz
Album Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
albumartists: 2Pac / Outlawz
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03-08-2017, 18:11
Post: #23
RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
(03-08-2017 17:00)steve1977 Wrote:  01 Letter to the President.mp3
DBPoweramp
Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
Artists: 2Pac / Outlawz
Album Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
albumartists: 2Pac / Outlawz
Picard
Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
Artists: 2Pac / Outlawz
Album Artist: 2Pac + Outlawz
albumartists: 2Pac / Outlawz

Comparing the mp3 file above with my earlier example, and repeating what PaulTaylor and Simoncn noted, the slash (/) character would appear to be the problem.

As a test either
1) change "Artists: 2Pac / Outlawz" to "Artists: 2Pac; Outlawz"
or
2) convert tag frame from ID3v2.3 to ID3v2.4

One, or both, of these should enable the appearance of both 2Pac and Outlawz in the Artists and All Artists indexes.

Good luck.
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03-08-2017, 18:46 (This post was last modified: 03-08-2017 18:48 by paultaylor.)
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RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
(03-08-2017 17:00)steve1977 Wrote:  Thanks for your help. I know Picard has some issues with M4A for artists and albumartists. Does Jaikoz support it? Also, does Jaikoz allow to retag 50,000 songs in one go. I tried with Picard, but it is a huge pain and not really designed to do so.

So I think this confirms the issues is ID3v23
You can easily fix this in Jaikoz, trial only allow 20 saves but you can try it as a proof of concept

- Start Jaikoz
- Select File:Preferences (before loading any files)
- Go to Save:ID3Tag v2 tab
- From first list select v24
- Select Save
- Open some files. note Version and Status should be purple indicating change
- Run Action:Remote Correct:Update Metadata from MusicBrainz, this will recognize songs already tagged by Picard, but fix the ARTISTS field
- File:Save Changes

and that should work for you, (Jaikoz also works for mp4).
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03-08-2017, 20:00
Post: #25
RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
(03-08-2017 15:11)Alandbush Wrote:  ID3v2.3 Tags as seen by DBpoweramp:
Artist Alexandra Burke feat. Flo Rida
ArtistSort Burke, Alexandra feat. Flo Rida
Artists Alexandra Burke; Flo Rida

Do you have Artists:-Artist in aliasTags? For the rest of this post, I am assuming that you do have this.

Quote:Extract from minimserver.log
main: adding file tag ARTIST=Alexandra Burke feat. Flo Rida
main: adding file tag ARTISTSORT=Burke, Alexandra feat. Flo Rida
main: adding file tag ARTISTS=Alexandra Burke
main: adding file tag ARTISTS=Flo Rida

This probably means you have multiple TXXX frames, one with ARTISTS=Alexandra Burke and one with ARTISTS=Flo Rida.

Quote:<upnp:artist>Alexandra Burke, Flo Rida</upnp:artist>
<dc:creator>Alexandra Burke, Flo Rida</dc:creator>

This is expected. Most control points can't handle multiple <upnp:artist> XML tags in DIDL-Lite, so MinimServer concatenates the values as you are seeing. For the few control points that can handle this, you can use the display.multiTag setting in the tagCustom property.

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Artists index contains Flo Rida
All Artists index contains Flo Rida

I presume you mean Artist index, not Artists index. For the Artist index, you will see the ALBUMARTIST value if there is one. If not, you should see both Alexandra Burke and Flo Rida. For the All Artists index, you should see both Alexandra Burke and Flo Rida.
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03-08-2017, 23:45
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RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
Got it, thanks! Great to read that Jaikoz supports customized tags for M4A. Does this hold true only for artists or also for albumartists tag? Both are not supported by Picard (overall Picard supports M4A, but artists/albumartists tag are broken).

Does Jaikoz support retag to tag 50,000 songs at once. With Picard, this does not really work / does not work well and I'd need to do it in several waves.
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04-08-2017, 08:39 (This post was last modified: 04-08-2017 08:43 by paultaylor.)
Post: #27
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(03-08-2017 23:45)steve1977 Wrote:  Got it, thanks! Great to read that Jaikoz supports customized tags for M4A. Does this hold true only for artists or also for albumartists tag? Both are not supported by Picard (overall Picard supports M4A, but artists/albumartists tag are broken).
Yes all fields supported by Jaikoz are written to all formats, this shows tag mapping for Picard/Jaikoz https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing (although slightly out of date for Picard)
(03-08-2017 23:45)steve1977 Wrote:  Does Jaikoz support retag to tag 50,000 songs at once. With Picard, this does not really work / does not work well and I'd need to do it in several waves.
Probably, it will certainly do 20,0000 songs. It may struggle with 50,000 and require to do in a couple of batches.
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04-08-2017, 09:18
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Thanks. How long does it take to do 20,000 songs? A few hours or even days? Or faster?

Understand you are developing two different taggers. The price difference is minor and the cheaper one appears to have more frequent development. Any plans to merge into one tagger?
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04-08-2017, 10:05
Post: #29
RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
I looked at the "mapping" and there appears to be no tag artists (with s) or albumartists (with s). Did I overlook this somehow or is it not supported?
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04-08-2017, 10:44 (This post was last modified: 04-08-2017 10:46 by paultaylor.)
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RE: MinimServer doesnt like multivalues for AlbumArtist
(04-08-2017 10:05)steve1977 Wrote:  I looked at the "mapping" and there appears to be no tag artists (with s) or albumartists (with s). Did I overlook this somehow or is it not supported?
They are supported just scroll down, the list is not fully alphabetical. If just updating already matched songs as described above should just take a few hours, to rematch would take a day. SongKong is fully automated, Jaikoz provides manual tagging as well but is not as user friendly and has no cmdline, they work quite differently and will not be merged. But since this is a MinimServer forum if you have more questions about these please email support@jthink.net or use the Jaikoz/SongKong forums.
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