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best practice for classical music
11-02-2018, 16:41
Post: #1
best practice for classical music
Hi,
I am using MinimServer with Lumin to listen with my LINN DS.
My FLAC collection is about 4000 jazz and pop album.
It works great! Big Grin With multiple artist on an album and a track, various artists alben etc...

But now I will tagging my classik collection. Undecided
For this I use an multiple instance of minimserver.

now my question:
what is the best practice for the minimserver settings (tagCustom, tagFormat or tagOptions) to see the artist, conductor, orchestra, choir, solist etc... in the Lumin app?

hope there is someone who help's me
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Ralf
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12-02-2018, 08:31
Post: #2
RE: best practice for classical music
I may not be the best reference, but here's what I do.

Classical:
* Album Title: I stick as closely as possible to the original title as shown on the cover art but shorten composers to last name only.
* Album Artist: Composer's name (last name first as in "Hindemith, Paul”). Set to “Various Composers” when multiple composers on the same album
* Track artist: blank - I know many use track artist for soloist, conductor, orchestra, etc., but I prefer to leave this blank so that the artist list is less cluttered when using portable devices.
* Composer: Composer’s name, reversed.
* Soloists: Any soloists, key performers
* Conductor: Conductor
* Orchestra: All orchestras or ensembles like quartets, etc. I don't use the Ensemble field but you could do this for smaller groups.
* Chorus: Choir, Chorus - any vocal group
* Genre: all set to "Classical". Thinking of Style field for sub-genres, e.g. Baroque Chamber, Symphonic.
* Track title: show the work and the movement, delete any unnecessary repetition of album or soloists, etc.
* Year: year only, no month
* Grouping: box set names. Others use this to for “work” or “composition” - I may do this next.
* Description: I set this field with the year and month acquired the album, in the format “YYYY-MM,” for example 2016-01 or 2016-11. In the IndexTags in Minimserver properties I’ve added “Description:Date Added,” which indexes by this field and displays it as “Date Added” so I can browse my library by when albums were added and find recent acquisitions easily.
* For multi-disc sets, add “(Disc 1),” “(Disc 2),” etc. to the end of the album title, also make sure the Disc Number and Total Discs fields are populated.

Minimserver properties:
Server tab
IndexTags= Artist:Album Artist, Genre, -Description:Date Added, All Artists, Composer, Work, Soloists, Conductor, Orchestra, Grouping:Collections, #AudioQuality:Audio Quality

ItemTags= ArtistSort, albumartist, #AudioDuration,tracknumber,tracktotal

listViewAlbums= 25

mergeFolder Albums= false

TagOptions= Album.sortTags={Album, Artist}, all.ignore.sort={The, THE, the}, Composer.reverseName.display

tagVaue= Artist.Value.Sort={ArtistSort}

Advanced tab
tagCustom= Composer.displayRole={artist}, Orchestra.displayRole={artist}, Conductor.displayRole={artist}, Soloists.displayRole={artist}

tagFormat= Album.displayFormat={$album^$#AudioQuality^ [^]}, title.displayFormat={$tracknumber^^/$tracktotal^^: $title$#AudioDuration}, Artist.displayFormat={$artist^^^/$composer^ - ^^/$soloists^; ^^/$orchestra^; ^^, $conductor^; ^ conducting}
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27-02-2018, 14:34
Post: #3
RE: best practice for classical music
(12-02-2018 08:31)antonmb Wrote:  I may not be the best reference, but here's what I do.

Classical:

* Track title: show the work and the movement, delete any unnecessary repetition of album or soloists, etc.

Repeating the work name at the start of every classical track title is not very practical for control points with limited display space. In many cases, there will only be room for the work name and thus all tracks will appear to have the same title!

Even when adequate space is available to display a lengthy track title, I would find it irritating to see so much duplication for a work with many tracks. My solution is to have a tag called Work and limit the track title to the information unique to that track. This makes for a much neater display on the control point. I also find that it makes it far easier for me to browse my collection. To be honest, I've never quite understood how some people manage to do without a Work tag for classical music.

Note that if you rip your CDs using a recent version of dBpoweramp CD Ripper and select a Genre of Classical or Opera, then it will display a text box for the entry of a Work title.
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27-02-2018, 17:15
Post: #4
RE: best practice for classical music
(27-02-2018 14:34)haggis999 Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 08:31)antonmb Wrote:  I may not be the best reference, but here's what I do.

Classical:

* Track title: show the work and the movement, delete any unnecessary repetition of album or soloists, etc.

Repeating the work name at the start of every classical track title is not very practical for control points with limited display space. In many cases, there will only be room for the work name and thus all tracks will appear to have the same title!

Even when adequate space is available to display a lengthy track title, I would find it irritating to see so much duplication for a work with many tracks. My solution is to have a tag called Work and limit the track title to the information unique to that track. This makes for a much neater display on the control point. I also find that it makes it far easier for me to browse my collection. To be honest, I've never quite understood how some people manage to do without a Work tag for classical music.

Note that if you rip your CDs using a recent version of dBpoweramp CD Ripper and select a Genre of Classical or Opera, then it will display a text box for the entry of a Work title.

I understand the use of Work, although I don’t apply it often (frankly too much effort for me to bother applying retroactively to 1000 albums), but frankly with Kazoo on an iPad I don’t have a problem seeing the track title. I also don’t play just a work, I tend to,select an album for play. YMMV
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27-02-2018, 18:13
Post: #5
RE: best practice for classical music
(27-02-2018 17:15)antonmb Wrote:  I understand the use of Work, although I don’t apply it often (frankly too much effort for me to bother applying retroactively to 1000 albums), but frankly with Kazoo on an iPad I don’t have a problem seeing the track title. I also don’t play just a work, I tend to,select an album for play. YMMV

I suspect everyone handles the tagging of classical music in their own way. If it works for you then that is all that matters Smile

In my own case, I really value the ability to list all works by a given composer, filtered where required by a variety of Sub-Genres (my top-level Genre setting is 'Classical' for all classical CDs). The Work tag also makes it easy to highlight multiple recordings of the same piece.

On average, it takes me around 12 mins to comprehensively tag a classical CD. Five years ago, I tagged about 700 CDs in two concentrated periods several months apart. Such a task is easier if you no longer have a full-time job and your children have left the nest!
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23-09-2018, 16:14
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RE: best practice for classical music
(27-02-2018 18:13)haggis999 Wrote:  
(27-02-2018 17:15)antonmb Wrote:  I understand the use of Work, although I don’t apply it often (frankly too much effort for me to bother applying retroactively to 1000 albums), but frankly with Kazoo on an iPad I don’t have a problem seeing the track title. I also don’t play just a work, I tend to,select an album for play. YMMV

I suspect everyone handles the tagging of classical music in their own way. If it works for you then that is all that matters Smile

In my own case, I really value the ability to list all works by a given composer, filtered where required by a variety of Sub-Genres (my top-level Genre setting is 'Classical' for all classical CDs). The Work tag also makes it easy to highlight multiple recordings of the same piece.

On average, it takes me around 12 mins to comprehensively tag a classical CD. Five years ago, I tagged about 700 CDs in two concentrated periods several months apart. Such a task is easier if you no longer have a full-time job and your children have left the nest!

Could you please share your Minimserver properties?
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23-09-2018, 16:38 (This post was last modified: 23-09-2018 16:43 by haggis999.)
Post: #7
RE: best practice for classical music
(23-09-2018 16:14)erho Wrote:  Could you please share your Minimserver properties?
My full list of MinimServer properties is as follows. Understanding the purpose of each setting requires careful study of Simon Nash's online help pages, but feel free to ask questions here if you get stuck.

aliasTags=Work:Group
alphaGroup=All Artists, Composer
.autoUpdate=true
contentDir=/volume1/Music/My Music
displayName=MinimServer[BonzoNAS]
http.port=9790
indexTags=CLASSICALGENRE=Classical:Classical library, NONCLASSICALGENRE=Non-classical:Non-classical library, Sub-Genre, Composer, All Artists, Conductor, DiscType, Group:Work
itemTags=Genre
listViewAlbums=5
.logFile=minimserver.log
.logLevel=info
mergeFolderAlbums=true
ohnet.debug=Default
ohnet.port=9791
showExtras=true
startupScan=true
stream.converter=ffmpeg
tagCustom=Composer.displayRole={artist}
tagFormat=Artist.displayFormat={$composer^^ / $artist}, Composer.displayFormat={$sub-genre}, Group.displayFormat={$group^$disctype^ [^]}, Title.displayFormat={$title^$disctype^ [^]}
tagOptions=Album.sortTags={Album, Artist}
tagUpdate=/volume1/Music/My Music/MyTagUpdate.txt
.updateReminder=1
writeTagChanges=/volume1/Music/My Music/MyMinimServerTags.txt
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23-09-2018, 17:01
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RE: best practice for classical music
Thanks, will try them, if questions are coming, you will hear from me.
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23-09-2018, 17:57
Post: #9
RE: best practice for classical music
(23-09-2018 17:01)erho Wrote:  Thanks, will try them, if questions are coming, you will hear from me.
You may find the attached notes useful. I created them to help me remember the purpose of each of my chosen settings. This 4 page summary was derived from Simon's online user guide, which is the equivalent of around 70 A4 pages of text and can be quite hard to navigate, as the hypertext format lacks any global search facility.



.docx  My MinimServer settings - 30 May 2018.docx (Size: 38.26 KB / Downloads: 12)
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23-09-2018, 22:19
Post: #10
RE: best practice for classical music
(23-09-2018 17:57)haggis999 Wrote:  You may find the attached notes useful. I created them to help me remember the purpose of each of my chosen settings. This 4 page summary was derived from Simon's online user guide, which is the equivalent of around 70 A4 pages of text and can be quite hard to navigate, as the hypertext format lacks any global search facility.

I find Google quite useful for this. Smile
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